I've been lurking around these forums for a little now and after two attempts at vaporizing DMT I have a question. I recently bought a Classic vapor genie for use in vaporizing various herbs as well as DMT. The last couple of times I've tried vaping the DMT I've always had a huge amount of white powder building up in the mouthpiece of the vapor genie. I get some tingling feelings on pretty high doses, but not much more than that although the effects for an hour after vaporizing were on par from the other things I've read. I'm using a regular flame lighter and I am completely new to DMT and vaporizing in general. So, has anyone else had a problem with a lot of the DMT building up in the mouthpiece of the Classic Vapor Genie? Thanks in advance for any responses and thanks for taking the time to read this post.

I have both the regular classic VG as well as a GVG.

It sounds like you aren't preheating the ceramic element that resides in the top screw on portion of the VG. You should also be using something like a bunched up and shaped piece of "Chore Boy 100% copper scrub pads that is about a 1/4" thick. I jam that down and put in on top and right against the screen that comes in the VG. I then, with the top portion unscrewed completely, use the torch to briefly heat up the copper, followed by dumping the spice onto the copper pad that is in the VG.......it will melt into the copper. After that, screw the top onto the base of the VG.

I ALWAYS preheat the ceramic element with a torch lighter for 5 or 10 seconds, or until it starts glowing red. And I do this without putting it up to my mouth.

I keep the flame lit at that juncture, exhale completely, and start inhaling while still hitting the ceramic element with the torch flame thru out the inhalation.

If done properly, I don't really even feel the vapor entering my lungs. I keep inhaling with medium to strong suckage, until i have pretty much exhausted my lung capacity.

At that point, while holding my breath for at least 15 seconds, i set the VG/Lighter down safely, before I dissolve..............

You MUST surrender to the experience, and not fight it at all.............

Things become so bizarre and unlike anything you may have experienced, that it can seem incredibly overwhelming, astonishing, and sometimes frightening etc., but try "not to give in to astonishment".

For me, i close my eyes as soon as I have set down the VG/lighter, while sitting comfortably on the couch, with a blanket, bottle of water, and some paper towels.

Don't try to control whats happening, because its fairly useless to do so, and can result in a less than optimum experience.

If things get frightening, just relax and let go completely...............

It only lasts 5-15 minutes, even though at times, it seems like an eternity...........

Safe travels.......and respect the power and awe that this medicine presents to you.

Personally, i wouldn't suggest combining other mind altering substances with this.

Much Love

Observer

Thanks so much for the replies especially The Observer. By the way, what torch lighter do you personally use Observer? Thanks again. p.s.I just bought chore boys

I've heard from a lot of people that The Arc Turboflame Lighter should be an excellent lighter for DMT vaporization. You'll also be able to find threads about it on here.

Thanks Erase, I'll have to check that out, I figured there would be a lot on info on that on this site, which is the reason why I enjoy getting on here. I'd still like to know what Observer personally uses just to help give me more options

Torch Lighter Choice:

To be quite honest, I bought a few cheap torch lighters at the local head shop.....

I always keep a 2nd one next to me when launching, in case one fails.........

Now that they are getting on in age, approx 6 months..they are starting to be not so reliable.

If you're in a hurry, with limited funds, i wouldn't hesitate to by a $5 one, which in my experience, worked fine for quite a few journey's...

Good luck, and let me know how it goes.

By the way, by melting the spice into the choreboy, when loading it, and before screwing the top part on, it should eliminate any of the buildup of powder in the stem or wherever it is ending up...........

Much Love

Observer

Thanks again Observer, I'll have to try another cheap Torch Lighter. I bought a $5 Jetline torch lighter at a tobacco shop and it quit on me while I was testing it out and seeing how it worked and everything. Literally, I lit it several times in the car, then a few more at home and than the spark just stopped lighting the fuel. Hopefully that one was just a dud.

One issue I have encountered with the VG or GVG has to do with the angle you hold it at while shooting the torch flame into the pipe.

If i hold either the VG or the GVG level, while shotting the flame straight down into the bowl, the flame will keep going out if held as close to the pipe as I would normally hold it.

It seems to occur due to the heat/or lack of oxygen that "blows" back straight up, into the orifice of the torch lighter.

Even though it seems a little odd, i hold both the VG, as well as the GVG at about a 45 degree angle, ie. tipping the bowl away from straight up, halfway in between straight up, and sideways......

Doing this, allows the torch to be supplied with sufficient oxygen (air) to keep lit.

This was very frustrating to me, and had me falsely convinced, that the torch lighters were faulty......

Ask me if you don't follow what I am talking about.

I usually hold the torch so the orifice is about an inch away from the opening of the pipe......

Good luck, and let me know how it goes..........


Observer

Hey, Observer I got your message, but it won't let me reply because I'm still a new member. I gotten the right time yet to try again but once I do I will be sure to let you know. Thanks again for all of your help.

Completely off-topic, but I can't reply to your message either, Observer.
But to answer your question, I don't really know. Ask The Traveler.

Hey Observer, I took your advice with the Choreboy and it worked great. I didn't use very much because I didn't want to waste any of the DMT like I had before. Needless to say I didn't break through but I definitely felt it. Thanks again for the advice.