Ok... So they say it's impossible to imagine a new color or create a totally new life form with the human brain because it's so rooted in "reality". And it turns out it's pretty damn hard to actually do that without mixing known colors and creating a being made of parts you already know but may have altered. So my question is how we can see things we could never begin to comprehend in this reality while on DMT? I know I'm not alone when I say I want to believe that DMT shows true reality, but I'm still kinda skeptical because, after all, it's a psychedelic and only "crazy" people believe what they see on psychedelics is "real". But how can we go places we couldn't imagine previously and see things that have no bearings in this world if they are not in fact "real"? Is that enough proof to say DMT takes you to a very real place? It's the most mind-boggling and most fascinating thing I've probably ever pondered and I wondered what you all might think...

The answer to the second question, IMO, is no. But I guess this raises the question of what is 'real' and my answer to the second question presupposes a common understanding of what we refer to.

A deep DMT experience is subjectively as 'real' as it needs to be to convince the venturer but this still doesnt constitue irrefutable proof.The phrase 'You had to be there' springs to mind.

I don't believe we are so limited.

Cool question.

Maybe it's something to do with our subconscious? For example, say you walk down the street and there are 100 people on the way to where you need to be. Your brain will take all of those faces in but stick most of them back in your subconscious because they're not important/you're not focusing on them.

So later on when you go to sleep, you might have a dream with people you don't recognise in it; thats your subconscious bringing them out.

Maybe it's the same with DMT? Triggers off something similar...but tenfold!

Not sure myself..just the first thing that came into my head whilst reading your post.

This is a really fascinating subject that I was just trying to grasp while writing a trip report a few nights ago. I made a rather important personal discovery on aya relating to the "mind's eye", and it's role as a muscle that can be trained with definite results, for example being able to concretely imagine things into your surroundings and coming up with more out-of-the-box "objects" that aren't really based on anything you've previously observed, all of this even while sober. I say personal discovery because I have no idea if it will work for other people since I've never been another person. But maybe it will, anyway the theory itself is a bit offtopic so I'll go into it in more detail in the trip report.

But about coming up with new concepts or colors that aren't based on sensory input, it is very possible but it just seems to be hard most of the time because of evolutionary reasons relating to the survival of the host body, in other words, surviving and reproducing is alot easier when you're not constantly living in a magic world full of novelty, or "tripping". It currently seems to be more or less like a deactivated ability in us that psychedelics temporarily can activate. In everyday reality we're basically just reinforcing our known neural pathways, but as some aya studies have shown (linky), it's easier to create completely new neural connections on aya, which is why for example conquering life-long phobias is easier on aya too. It's like deprogramming your old mental structures that have taken a good hold in your mind. It seems very hard most of the time as we're so routinely numbed by the same old neural patterns, but it is in my opinion very trainable and you can reach a degree of control over it while sober. The first important step is recognizing it (the process of new connections, and also the minds eye itself) in your mindscape, and psychedelics help with this initial step alot if you set your intent on it.

For example, try thinking about a completely new color like you mentioned. First you should remind yourself what colors are, they are just "markers" for your brain to distinguish different wavelengths from each other, so they only exist in your head. So why wouldn't it be possible to come up with new "markers"? Well it is, you just can't convey them to other people as there will be no agreement as to what natural phenomena should invoke the feeling of this new color. But the new color will exist in your head as a free concept. It obviously won't be as stable as all the known colors you've been mentally training with all your life, but it's still there, like a newborn baby color, waiting to be trained, and associated to specific phenomena if you so desire. It might be a bit tricky to come up with a new color at first , but think of it as extrapolating a curve, you have all these known values of known colors that make a curve, then go a bit left or right and try to extrapolate into the unknown. Recognize what it is that the old colors are "doing" and then make the same "doing"-action happen in a previously undefined area outside of the known curve. And this particular curve has nothing to do with the wavelengths themselves, it's more like a neural pattern curve, or "mental action" -curve.

When you get it right, you'll realize that there are in fact seemingly an infinite amount of new colors or "markers" that you can conjure up, and it's not only limited to colors or the visual sense. Now, if that's not exciting then I dunno what is.. So practice, practice, practice. Then some more practice.

I think part of the same reason why you won't conjure up new colors in your imagination has something in part to do with the same reason why it's difficult to imagine DMT's spatial dimensionality. Even for those of us who have had many a gander at extremely multidimensional phenomena on DMT, upon coming down, it can be practically impossible to recreate those perfect dimensional aesthetics in the imagination. It's simply not equipped to do so, even though what you're trying to access is memories. Now the relevance this has to color is that I've seen a number of colors that I would be fairly certain to say cannot be perceived with the naked eye. Now something I've noticed about these colors often is that perhaps what makes them so special is the way that they combine with other colors holographically/interdimensionally. I think there are certain phase relationships that can only be beheld with more than 3 spacial dimensions, and I think this would be one mechanism of creating new colors in hyperspace. So in the same manner that remembering new dimensions can be difficult, difficulty in remembering new colors may stem from the same issue.

One of my older theories which I'm not necessarily discarding has to do with frequency and octaves of rainbows.

Octave Colors (experience report)

I definitely wouldn't say that what we see while in spice land is real or not real. It is somewhere in between. Its almost like going into another species video game version of Second Life meets demo scene 3d stuff. Who knows?

I think our brains are capable of much more. Before DMT, I never thought about sacred geometry. Everything that came out of it was not of my own imagination. I am a full time artist and this stuff, I would never have been able to dream up with my own imagination. That is what is so spectacular about it. What we all see is somewhat similar and random. Not on this planet or at least completely of this planet. Maybe we are tuning into the most advanced Electric Sheep program that is being broadcast at that frequency near us, maybe like electric sheep it uses the power of our minds to create new pieces. That would definitely explain why we see a lot of technology in there. I know I have gone through tunnels with old school oil rig looking things everywhere. Do you think amazonians saw that sort of stuff? Or maybe that is the reason some people were considered geniuses. They had the ability to reach into this DMT program and assimilate technology and ideas into our real world.

The experience is deep rooted in there. Why? Probably, because we are children of the universe and our brains are organic computers sent from another planet many millions of years ago. Even Francis Crick , one of the founders of DNA, commented that DNA could not have evolved naturally on Earth. Think of allof those hundreds of millions of years that had existed before us. We have only really been very technological for not even two hundred years... at least it seems.