Cocaine and Dmt?

Cocaine is very powerful and would prob.not let one go very deep on Dmt.

I have used amphetamine with mushrooms in my days and i remember it dulled the psychedelic experience,making me really wish i wasnt so wired up.
It was like being outside of a beautiful dream and wanting to get in,but not allowed by the cold fixed grip of dr.speed.

"Cocaine is certainly more dangerous than caffiene, studies on cocaine and Methamphetamine danger show them to have long lasting damage on the brain, more so than other common substances of abuse."

You have not convinced me of anything. Where is the studies comparing cocaine to caffine in relative doses/frequency? There are studies out there linking heavy caffine use to all kinds of problems. Caffine withdrawl also seems longer lasting than cocaine withdrawls.

You should compare coca tea drinkers to maybe green tea drinkers and see if you can find some really bad health problems with the coca drinkers compared to the green tea drinkers..or people snorting lines of caffine crystals habitually comared to people who snort lines of cocaine habitually. That would be a better evaluation of how cocaine could compare to caffine.

"Where I live I see the damage cocaine and MA cause daily, people dont rob their mothers over a cup of coffee."

People dont rob their mothers in peru over a cup of coca leaf tea either..just saying you are projecting here and making comparisons that are not realistic. Cocaine is cocaine is cocaine..if you take it by chewing some coca leaf it is still cocaine..same with caffine..

There are numerous problems with this scenario you provided above..one being that caffine is legal and cheap. Noone is going to NEED to rob you for some caffine.

note..COCAINE IS OFTEN EXTRACED IN THE AMAZON IN LARGE POOLS DUG OUT LINED WITH TARPS>>AND ALL THE CHEMICALS ARE POURED BACK INTO THE RAINFOREST DESTRYING THE ECOSYSTEM! Anyone using cocaine they did not extract themselves at home is likely contributing to the destruction of the amazon. This is highly unethical behaviour and NOT supported by the DMT Nexus in any way.

first u cant compare lines of cocaine with coca leaves, ive had both and the effect is very different, one is a nice warm feeling that spreads through your body, very mild stimulant that provides a happy and content feeling from it, and the other a much stronger and ego-inflated euphoria. No benefit in anyway comes from cocaine use in fact the other way, all it does is feeds the ego, gives a false sense of happiness, high probability for addiction...You see, plants slow down the mind to a more natural state (like in their nature) and heal, chemicals(cocaine,mdma,meth...) speed up the mind taking you further from natural state and feed the ego, plain and simple and if anyone thinks otherwise than they are misinformed or being fooled. This is why terence mckenna NEVER promoted one chemical( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnhBMU8D4M ), plants have spirit and can be guiding and healing, chemicals do not. You might enjoy them while there lasting but i bet the next days your not feeling so well. The last thing id do is add that poison to dmt!

I'm not a fan of stimulants so I can't speak to the combination from personal experience, but I did want to mention that Oliver Sacks, an extremely well respected neurologist, in an interview mentioned that part of his passion came from his experiences with mixing psychedelics (LSD) and stimulants (methamphetamine) in college. He did, however, also mention that many of his friends did not fare as well and ended up addicts instead of scientists. As always, it's as much the person as it is the substance. I admire your enthusiasm, G, but a word of caution goes a long way, especially with this community.

This is so true. When someone says that, it's like saying that guns kill people or something similar.

Someone can either make the choice to use a substance responsibly and in moderation or one can make the choice to abuse the hell out of it until their body crumbles to pieces.

Cocaine doesn't grab people with powdery hands and force them to snort or inject or whatever kids are doing nowadays, though that would be a scary thought!

Their is no evidence that coca tea causes the same problems cocaine does, when cocaine is extracted and freebased it is ridiculously powerful and dangerous, if caffeine were on par with it in anyway it would be outlawed here as well.

I'm not saying it can't be used responsibly, I'm saying I've never met someone who could use it in that way, and if were discussing it we should note caution and not treat it like it is a harmless substance.

It doesn't take a scientific study to see the difference, you can buy fairly potent caffeine pills at any corner store, the same with freebased cocaine.

Ancotar wrote: Cocaine doesn't grab people with powdery hands and force them to snort or inject or whatever kids are doing nowadays,

This metaphorically speaking is what cocaine can do to someone who has a genetic predisposition to addiction, I've seen it take otherwise wonderful people and turn them into lunatics.

Being an addict I used to use cocaine and crack fairly regular along with Methamphetamine, amphetamine and it certainly caused more harm to me than any other drug I used with regularity ie opiates and alcohol.

Caffeine is also dangerous and addictive, It's just not as mind altering as other stimulants.

If your going to be using cocaine just know the risks, their are millions of people that right now are wishing they never tried it.

Usually people don't abuse dmt for long, some people never come back from a bad crack habit.

I see what you are saying here and I get it. But the point I'm making is you still make a choice to use these substances, regardless of your knowledge of predisposition to addiction or not.

I used to use cocaine frequently in my younger years because I enjoyed it so I made the choice to keep doing it, regardless of the harm it was doing to me or the people I care about. Then I made the choice to stop one day and have been clean ever since (after a nasty withdrawl period). No matter how deep in the hole you are, there is always a way to climb out, but you need to make the choice to do so.

The key word here, folks, is choice. No one can make it but us, whether it's for the right or wrong reasons, it is still us.

Sure this is true, but people seem to lose the ability to choose with hard drugs. When i was in active addiction I wanted nothing more than to stop, I lacked self control to do so until my entire psyche shifted and allowed me to. LSD helped me make up my mind to quit, but it was after a lot of hard work I actually could wake up and go to sleep without craving substances.

But even dangerous drugs have their places.

"first u cant compare lines of cocaine with coca leaves"

Sure..but noone has said that in this thread so far. That was my whole point..you cant compare a cup of coffee to pure caffine..but caffine is caffine and cocaine is cocaine. You ingeswt it either way plant or not. Instead of demonizing cocaine cant we all just be adults here?

I mean christ people want to bash cocaine as if noone out there could ever use it responsibly but then sit here and talk about people they know who use adderal daily..w/e that screams hippocracy to me. Do you know what adderal does to the brain when used chronically? It's far closer to methamphetamine than cocaine is..but lots of people try to support their adderal habits with their ADD lable..

Why cant somone be self medicating with cocaine, and for them have it work well? At the same time why should others who use amphetamine daily for ADD get a pass instead of not trying to actaully fix the problem? Why do people jump all over someone for saying they use cocain at times to help them have clarity of thought or something but noone bats an eye at people who use amphetamine every day?

Just saying..there seems to be some hippocracy here from people.

Noone, anywhere in this thread ever said that cocaine is good for you or that cocaine abuse is not a huge problem for some people. Stop projecting all your own crap onto the discussion. Do you people really think that it is impossible for their to be people out there who can have a benificial non habit forming relation to cocaine? Who cares if you had problems with it..you are not everyone. I know tons of people who went downhill with cocaine problems..I know more who went that way with alcohol..yet tons of people wont hesitate to drink occasionally and have no problems stopping.

It's just drug snobery and moral absolutism.

"This metaphorically speaking is what cocaine can do to someone who has a genetic predisposition to addiction, I've seen it take otherwise wonderful people and turn them into lunatics"

Genetic predispositions are not that well supported. There is just as much evidence for epigenetc factors when it comes to addiction. If you look at Gabor Mate's work, who is well respected for his work in the field of addiction he has basically thrown away the idea of genetic predispotions to addiction. There are other factors at play.

Cocaine is not the super addictive drug it is made out to be. Im sorry guys but if you were addicted to cocaine that sucks but there is not evidence it is comparable to some other drugs like heroin or alcohol, or even nicotine in terms of the length of withdral times etc. People withdrawl for like 1-3 days and then they have psychological issues left to deal with. Compare that to alcohol where withdrawls can last months seizures can occue in heavy abusers and it becomes apparent that peoples views on drugs are just way out of balance.

Cocaine is not the safest drug, and it's not even an interesting drug in my experience but it's really just a drug like other drugs and thats it. It's not some horrible devil it's made out to be.

"if caffeine were on par with it in anyway it would be outlawed here as well."

Drugs are not scheduled becasue of how addictive they are or how low the LD50 is for a given drug, or how neurotoxic it is. Alcohol is more dangerous than cocaine for a number of reasons yet it is legal..

If you were to ask me if I personally feel like cocaine is worth playing with I would say no. I personally dont really use anything other than psychedelics and I occasionally drink green tea, eat cacao and have coffee like once every couple weeks..maybe smoke mapcho very infrequently..but I am all for facts and truth about drugs instead of bais and propeganda. If we can not even approach the topic of non-psychedelic drugs like reasonable people able to seperate the bs from reality than we are just a bunch of hippocrates to expect others to do the same thing for us.

It's just unwise to boast the benefits of freebasing cocaine and per the attitude rules the op should have included some better info instead of just basically, that.

And although cocaine is not physically addictive it is extremely mentally addictive to certain people, and the only plausible explanation why one person would seem to be able to handle it and one would lose all control is that they are genetically different in some way.

As far as adderall goes It's just as bad, all i said was either way I don't think the combo is inherently wrong, we should just choose at our own caution and make sure we aren't wrecklessly condoning dangerous behavior just for the sake of arguing a point.

Respectful use of the coca plant is in no way the same as cocaine as I've already said.

As far as this thread goes I don't think there is really anything else to say, I'm not being hypocritical, I avoid use of any substance with that much potential for abuse, there just is really know way to know if someone has a predisposition or say potential to addiction of a substance and that it is ridiculous to talk light heartedly about something that literally destroys people as easy as crack and freebased cocaine can.

I dont know how the op meant it, i just thought he should kind of neaten his post up a bit which he did, this is not a Freebase cocaine forum and we use care when we discuss dangerous substances, no need to get defensive.

Going back to the original post from the OP, he/she is talking about mixing cocaine and dmt highs.

With absolutely no safety information, studies, or any kind of research whatsoever, all we're left with is our own personal opinions about the combo and the information we have about them as independent substances.

I've seen people fight, steal, launch into ballistic arguments, keep secrets, lie and more because of cocaine. I've seen people come back from dmt highs feeling connected to the universe, full of love, in states of deep meditation (I know not all dmt trips are pleasant though). Mixing cocaine with dmt, in my opinion, is a waste.

In my opinion, mixing the two is like:
Eating fast food then doing yoga.
Or meditating drunk
Or doing breathing exercises while puffing down a cigarette.


Jamie, I know you're focused on the misinformation about substances and I mean no offense, but mixing dmt and cocaine goes
beyond my common sense.

Kindly,
Wearepeople

"It's just unwise to boast the benefits of freebasing cocaine and per the attitude rules the op should have included some better info instead of just basically, that."

The origional post could be more clear and elaborate I agree..but did I miss the part about freebasing cocaine? I never read that anywhere in the OP. I think the origional topic was in realtion to the poster snuffing cocaine salts before a DMT experience to aid in the clarity of the experience..freebase cocaine implies they were smoking crack.

The OP was changed multiple times within the first hour of it being posted.

I don't recall it saying anything about smoking cocaine freebase though.

He edited it after I commented, he was smoking freebase cocaine then smoking freebase dmt, which to me sounds quite dangerous as having a heart attack is a real possibility, it is sad to me it seems you would rather prove your point then take into consideration safety as one of our main concerns on the nexus.

"And although cocaine is not physically addictive it is extremely mentally addictive to certain people, and the only plausible explanation why one person would seem to be able to handle it and one would lose all control is that they are genetically different in some way."

I never said it was not physically addictive..there certainly is a potential for physical addiction there..I said it was not on the same level as some other "hard" drugs in terms of length of withdrawls etc.

Genetic predisposition is definatly not the only plausible explaination for why some people gravitate towards certain drugs in a destructive way at all. Have you even looked into what I am talking about? A large portion of the research that is comming out points towards epigenetic factors, and the neural development etc durring early childhood that is driven by outside influences..how a child is raised, are they neglected, abused etc. All the work that Gabor Mate is doing in the downtown eastside here with opiate addiction, cocaine and alcohol addiction etc points towards a very hgih percentage of those people being abused, neglected, abandoned at a very early age. A person who is neglected by their mother for instance never develops properly due to insufficent oxytocin at key stages of development-which manifests later on in them seeking out something to replace that..many turn to opiates becasue it is the only time they have ever actaully felt loved.

People are not born with those problems..the problems are an expression of the environmental circumstances they developed within.

People often just blame drugs..or blame their genetics for these problems..but researchers are finding out that this is not really the case.

My main concern was that the op add some words of caution, which he did, but then you saying Caffine is probly just as harmful is ridiculous, can you show something to support this opinion or am I wrong in asking we state possible dangers in regards to substances we post about and endorse?