Not personally. I find that mixing DMT with anything takes away from the trip and, using this term loosely, disrespects the molecule. The only instance I would consider "mixing" would be taking DMT after a nice shrooms trip.

Cocaine is probably one of the most dangerous drugs you can do, certainly among the most mentally addictive free base even more so, maybe edit your post with some words of caution as this is discouraged talk on the Nexus.

That being said I feel like Orion, that dmt shouldn't be taken loosely and mixed with random substances. Although under some circunstances I understand that people have daily intake of substances due to habit or prescription for an existing illness and would always research before I just handed some one a pipe and spice, but would not refuse it to them either if it seemed that physically their would be no consequence, seeing as they are mentally fit as well.

id rather eat a rusty spoon than try that combo, but then again i dont care for cocaine either i have to relax before dmt, not get all geeked out on stimulants, id freak out if i couldnt stay calm.

Fail.

Don't bring that vile shit here. We are not interested in those things..

If you want a slower, more understandable experience wouldn't pharmahuasca or ayahuasca be a suitable approach?

i have on the other hand taken adderall and wanted to try to smoke dmt because i was focused, but my heart rate was high, beating hard and couldnt meditate so i wussed out on trying it, as i have found if i get the smallest spook and feel my heart race it begins a panic attack on dmt, which is probably the scariest thing ive experience. then again i have some anxiety and panic disorder stuff going on so i cant really say how others would react to such a combo, itd be simply too much for me.

Personally I think cocaine is an unpleasant and uninteresting drug when isolated from the whole coca plant. I never enjoyed it..so obviously I never went back to it or felt any addicitive potential at all. It's hardly the most dangerous drug though..people tend to go to extremes on both sides of these discussions.

Caffine is probly just as harmful..yet many people will use it daily and bash cocaine users. Caffine has a high potential for physical addiction and unconfortable withdrawls that last a long time and I am sure if people were using pure caffine in isolation it would be just as bad as cocaine.

I am not against isolating alkaloids but I feel like these stimulants are best left within the whole plant with a fuller chemical spectrum. I cant personally imagine why mixing cocaine with DMT would be desirable but w/e..

BTW coca leaf is used along with psychedelic plants at times in South America..and I have actaully heard of some curranderos(really rare) adding pure cocaine to an ayahuasca brew. Please dont do that though..it's entirely dangerous to do that.

If this discussion is going to continue keep it on topic, and people stop bashing other people maybe also. It's not like the guy says he likes to smoke crack on the corner while snorting lines of DMT. If any discussion of cocaine is going to continue here keep it relevant to some sort of benificial effects and not just random recreation use.

I will say this based on my experience with DMT and others I know..DMT and stimulants do not seem to be a good mix. It can make things more chaotic and more speedy. I never tried it with cocaine personally becasue I dont like cocaine at all and dont really do anything other than psychs and drink caffine at times..but with more than maybe a few sips of yerba mate it is just a bad bad idea for me.

Ok everyone lets stay on topic on this and be adults. Sorry for it having to be removed while I checkd with other mods on if this topic is appropriate which it has been determined to be.
My apologies G.

Yes, sorry for jumping like that. I could never feel the need to combine something like those two. In general I just worry about safety and that combo seems everything but safe. Maybe if it was an aya brew with a coca leaf admixture. Nothing more.

dmt heals, cocaine does the opposite, in my opinion this thread is very

I can only imagine coca leaf tea or something along those lines would be more appropriate. Interesting topic nonetheless.

In all due honesty any substance can be used as an entheogen.

It's all about attitude. There are people out there who take 10 strips of acid to "get fucked up" while in certain tribes of the world people get absolutely blitzkrieg drunk on alcohol and enter shamanic trance.

Scopolamine is by far a much more "dangerous drug" than cocaine yet it's used very commonly by people for entheogenic use as is tobacco. I think people are getting a bit of a jerk reaction here.

Just because psychedelics provide the quickest shortcut to the samadhi state does not mean they are any more or less sacred than other substances. It always boils down to attitude. You take any substance with due reverence and respect and it will show you the God within. I can get just as much of a mystical experience out of amphetamine and ecstasy as I can from spice and acid, the only difference is that the latter are just easy on the body.

To top it off: if you can only connect to God within on psychedelics and nothing else, then you're probably not connecting very well to begin with. Deepen the connection and it becomes readily apparent that the substance doesn't really matter much if at all.

well ive had one of the most amazing experiences with cocaine and mushrooms..it was my first time..and personally i felt it to be a great combo..call me crazy

i took a few lines of cocaine as i was eating the mushrooms...so the cocaine got me into this very excited...super pumped mood...and then...went outside to this beautiful swimming quarry...and smoked a fat blunt with some of my best friends..and before i knew it..i was tripping for the first time ever...and it was absolutely fantastic!!

i dont know if i would use cocaine NOW before a psychedelic..but at the moment it was a very very perfect appetizer...

it got me excited(and not fearful) and was just a perfect way to get it all started...

Jamie that is just not the case and is dangerous info.

Cocaine is certainly more dangerous than caffiene, studies on cocaine and Methamphetamine danger show them to have long lasting damage on the brain, more so than other common substances of abuse.

I can understand however if someone has a bad habit they might still could beneifit from spice, but cocaine use to me at least seems a bit wreckless and feel like combining it with a drug like DMT which someone should spend time preparing for and not taking lightly is just asking for a hyperslap. Even more so if someone is not used to the effects of stimulants.

Now prescription amphetamine usually does have an opposite effect on people with adhd and will calm people like my girlfriend down. She loves spice and I'm not sure that shes ever taken it without a little amphetamine(adderall) in her system.

Where I live I see the damage cocaine and MA cause daily, people dont rob their mothers over a cup of coffee.

The problem here is that we're comparing a cup of Starbucks coffee to a line of cocaine.

If you take pure caffeine alkaloid, you are in for one really hellish high, and then some pretty spectacular lows. Pure caffeine powder is lethal in moderate to high doses, anything substantively greater than a teaspoon of the stuff has a higher-than-not probability of killing you.

Add to that that caffeine in any form is very addictive and that long-term abuse can actually runs your adrenal glands into the ground and can really mess with your endocrine system.

One cup of coffee =/= one line of cocaine

But comparing the two molecules, caffeine is still pretty dangerous.

NOW

Stimulants are dangerous. I have never interacted with anyone who used stimulants more than once or twice who came out better for it.

You can't stop anyone from using.
The is about the combination w/DMT.
I think we all know cocaine is bad.

edit: long term bad for you. not bad itself.

While the effects of these substances on different people seem to vary quite a bit, prescription amphetamines can help with reaching a meditative state. Also interesting is that various generics, which supposedly (and legally) are almost identical in regards with the active ingredients, can actually have very different effects.

I'm not experienced with cocaine, but I think it's reasonable to believe that it will affect people differently and does have the potential to enhance certain mental abilities. The intention of the user probably matters as well.

I remember reading somewhere about a study comparing adderall, which is mostly used to improve productivity to desoxyn (which is also mostly used to improve productivity, but has the same active ingredient as street speed). Adjusted for potency, the effects were pretty much the same. Now meth users are not particularly known for leading productive lives or having outstanding academic records, yet the substance which seems to enable one group and ruin another is essentially the same.

Why are we placing moral judgments on substances? Cocaine is not intrinsically bad or immoral. Conscious over-consumption or improper use might be considered bad -- but don't start calling the substance itself bad. Your dentist might take issue...