Seems fishy that plain leaf could give someone that much of a trip, i've done 40x plenty of times and never had a trip that was as crazy as that sounds. It's almost like everything turns into a dream.

Amen brother!

Yes, it was mostly likely something closer to 20x. But we all know how vendors tried to get people to buy...

Bigger, faster, stronger....BUY NOW!!!

That experience clearly describes my extract trips, however. I find I have "gotten farther" with Salvia than I have with DMT. It's no picnic, and can be uncomfortable at times, but Salvia has taken me to places that I'm not sure DMT ever could. Not that I don't enjoy DMT, it's very pleasant and profound in it's own right. The real interesting experiences are when you combine the two...they meld into a whole new form of creature.

salvia breakthroughs are one of the most convincingly extra-dimensional experiences a human can undergo IMO. Words just fail to explain it...it easily rivals dmt on my wierdometer

its very sensitive to aspects of the set/setting though, and because of this it can be hard sometimes to have pleasant experiences with it...any amount of struggle or resistance can warp it into a horrid experiences at times..not to mention the extracts out there are way way too powerful..its better to just grow it yourself and make your own extracts. it has a reverse tolerance, so eventually a bowl or two of plain leaf will get you to where you want to go

I recommend people quid it if they really are interested in the plant to. Smoking can be great, but quidding is much more manageable and not uncomfortable in the right dosage

what about all the other species of the salvia genus?

......like being kicked in the face by a horse.

An awesome plant which is illegal and unavailable in my Country /tear

[Salvia Divinorum]...Besides being a great tool for mind exploration....it takes the feeling of physical pain away!

Have tried 20x few times and it´s just plain wierd for me. One time i was just wandering around out of control looking under the coutch and watch the computer screen from 90° angle. And the last time was one and a half years ago and it was so cozy and very much fun laughing my ass out.

No plans to do more in the future but who knows. 30x at least then

What would the difference be in experience between salvia leaf grown or the store bought say 40 x leaf extract?

Salvia Divinorum is VERY powerful and few people have the patience and approach to appreciate the plant. For those who approach saliva with humility and a good set and setting the reward can be soul splitting. For those who just suck down a lungful at a party ( or take a huge amount the first time,) it can kick their ass and the smoker will not understand or enjoy this plant at all.
For several years before I discovered spice I had a very close relationship with salvia and it was very psychedelic. Once I discovered spice I use saliva much less but still occasionally.

I have heard (correct me if i'm wrong) that 40x is 40 grams of salvia leaf packed into one gram. I'm not too sure about this nexus. But all that i know is that 40x is absolutely crazy, and since i have yet to try spice, it has been the most intense experience of my life so far.

For me, its a trip you didn't necessarily mean to take.
Learn from it, but don't rely on it.
Says I, anywhy.

I recently tryed some plain.. [100percent natural].. Salvia leaf...[M..S..L]
they claimed because of ..
[special growing methods ]..it had near twice the normal amount of salvorian A in it..
[[and they were right!]]
a small hash pipe full was very noticable !.[about 2 or three hits... it felt like ..5x or 10 x..!!]
it felt like i took a hit of some very strong weed...
So all plain leaf is not equal!...
and its obvious that the extracted is stronger...

^^ unless the grower reveals some groundbreaking information on how to increase salvinorin A content when growing a salvia plant, I would not take such claims seriously at all.

Certainly different plants may differ a little in the amount of actives, but not to make it feel like 5x or 10x. If you felt stronger effects, chances are you have developed some degree of inverse tolerance to salvinorin, and have become more sensitive to it.

As for the doubts around plain leaf, extract and others, I earnestly suggest you guys to read at least the first sticky post in the Salvia Subforum if you haven't done so.

And about the main topic, I see salvia as a "meta-awareness" substance. It can change your experience not only by transporting you to places or showing you things; it changes your experience mostly because it changes you, it can make you become, it allows you to change the very nature of your awareness. Not saying that other entheogens cannot do that, but salvia excels, ime.

[quote=Vodsel]^^ unless the grower reveals some groundbreaking information on how to increase salvinorin A content when growing a salvia plant, I would not take such claims seriously at all.

I started smoking 60x then tryed 40x...then 20x...and i liked all of these potencys but noticed ..
[because of its powerfull affects]..that my lucid control was not as good with in the experiance...
So i wanted a more control of my thoughts within the trip and found that this ... [natural salvia whole leaf]...had a ..[sweet smell].. when it burned..and a nice natural salvia taste...
The first time i smoked a little bit of it about two puffs held it in about 20 seconds ..i felt its effects pretty good!..
but two days later ...I smoked it again and in 4 inhalations and i was on a ..[ VERY NOTICABLE!.. Pleasent.. mild trip ..able to think very clearly .. and recall many forgotten past life events from years back... much of it from childhood..
Another thing i liked.. was the ability to ..[think more clearly].and visualize mind imagry. so easily!
Now every time i take 3 to 40 inhalations it works quite well!
At the proper dosage.. sally D..can be a pleasant experiance!
I still want to learn to quid it...
The claims of higher Salvolian A ..was suposed to have been made ..from a scientific tests!

The claims of higher Salvolian A ..was suposed to have been made ..from a scientific tests! [/quote]


the number claimed is ..3.8-4 mgs of salvinorin A per gram of leaf!

for me salvia is real magic plant that has many secrets and with very powerful spirit (maybe most powerful among multiverses and beyond)

unlike most of the psychedelics it takes you inside and make you part of the experience rather than only seeing that's why people will be annoyed from the first it starts and body will confuse and trying to repair as it was adapted to it's safe way for years

if a person's unconsciousness was ready to go beyond the body it can take so far that when return everything will be nonsense and stupid and can cause depression for a while (once i smoked 1 g of 60x at once and hardly could be normal again after using opiods for several weeks)

people see they will be part of their stuff around them but actually it's real us altogheter (like net of being photo of alex grey)
most of the people doesn't remember what they saw because it was not seen by eyes and because of body defense system
but once we smoke again even so long time after it first shows flashback of previous trips

another thing is that most of the time a liquid shape fem spirit appears (sally goddes) and she dance and sings, she has some kind of song that seems so serious and the other beings repeat after her (like some kind of ritual)

in addition if music played spirit directly talks to you on form of the beat of the music and all the music layers will be dancing with other alien beings so i think tripping on music makes huge vibration over there

it also echo of deep thoughts (mostly decisional thoughts that done only few times and that takes us up to here now) so after return will feel like reborn and amazes how we ended up here

there are many many more about salvia but that was some I think about it

in addition if music played spirit directly talks to you on form of the beat of the music and all the music layers will be dancing with other alien beings so i think tripping on music makes huge vibration over there

WOW!..one gram of 60x at once?!

I agree..music seems to set things in motion during a salvia trip..
I find ..[native american music].. like..spiritlands...desert dance..lakota piano..to set the pace and emotional path of the mind journey..
Often [when i reach salvia space]..i feel a closeness to something at my very core of being thats hard to put into normal words..
probibly because what i feel is the language of the human mind talking to me and showing me [who i am].. in the form of pure emotion ..
I often feel a strong feeling of ..[being very alone].. when i reach salvia space..
But this kind of aloneness doesnt bother me.. it alows me see more clearly the reality within. without the filters that we have durring a normal mind state...
Ive just started up the salvia mountain with far to go and more to learn!

Yeah... It was absorbed in salvia leaves (I've smoked raw leaf too) like spice or changa... 60 doll hairs for the g! Who really knows though.... ps. can you cite that reference about 400X?