I have been thinking of a way to make oral salvia work better and thought of this idea myself!!... but found a post sugesting that in Europe this idea has been used with some sucess...read post below....

[[[[Extract-laced hard candy has also enjoyed quite some popularity, especially among german speaking salvia divinorum friends.


What a good idea! I'd love to have a little box of werthers originals that take you to another dimension. How are they able to distribute the salvinorin evenly in the candlies, since salvinorin isn't soluble in water]]]

Well .... I intend to try this idea because I think the problem with salvia extracts like....[salvia tincher...leaf chewing...has not worked well for everyone because....

..The saliva in the mouth washes salvias active ingrediants away too fast and down the throat too fast where its destroyed in the gut!
Leaving too little to get through the linings of the mouth to give a full experiance...

[maybe even the ..[saliva in mouth].. may destroy salvorian A ..a little?[not shure]


My logic says that ..[hard candy].. takes longer to melt and keeps the salvia extract in mouth longer alowing for more to enter the blood stream through the walls of the mouth or under tounge...
It seems this should work well making the taste better keeping the extract laced candy right under the tounge where it should be loosing much less of salvias alkaloids down the throat...
Gummy candy .. melts to a liquid easy in a pan over heat...liquid gummy candy then is mixed in liquid form into the extract then alowed to cool in fridge...
Gummy candys only weakness is that it desolves kinda fast mixing faster with saliva..

Maybe hard candy is better.. because it melts slower...alowing more time to sublingualy absorb the salvia...
There are other ideas ive thought of like.. putting salvia extract into pressed hard pills used sublingualy..
I thought this would be a good idea for people who dont want to inhale large volumes of smoke ..
To get to salvia space in a gentler safer way makes sense if it will work better this way..
Most hard candys will melt in pan over heat till it becomes liquid.. and how to mix it with the extract in best way may take more thought...
Im trying.. and encourage anyone else who is interested to .. to try mixing this in hard candy or creating a salvia sublingual tablet..

[If anyone has sucess with this method please post]!!

Because the hit and miss methods of a mouthfull of leaf of just dropping tincher in the mouth doesnt work for everone and wastes the salvorian A ...

Putting such a powerful substance into something that would be attractive to others, especially kids, is an unsafe, risky thing to do. IMO

Can you imagine a child deciding to sneak one of your werthers (spelling). What i f you lost your little box of fun, or someone just saw it, and decided to help themselves.

I can assure you, if something like that happened to my child, I would be livid.

A very irresponsible thing to do.

IMO

ive had a salvia lollypop before..

This idea is only for mature personal use..for those of us who need safer way to administer the awefull tasting medicine without the harmfull effects of smoke..

[The werthers post was someone elses that i copied]

This is the dmt nexus forum .. .. and i think this idea is a great idea if it will work..

No one in their right mind would ever give Salvia laced candy to a child!!..so why did you even sugest this ??

I only wanted to share ...[a very good idea].. to make oral salvia a better safer and more efective experiance for us adults take it carefully with respect...
cheers...

Package and handle it like any medicine, and kids should not be tempted. If you're really worried, put them in a pill bottle and label it as being for the purpose of alleviating some obscure or gross condition.

As to the question of solubility, perhaps dissolving the salvinorin in ethanol would work?

sugar and psychedelics are not the best combo in my opinion... its good to eat healthily when tripping rather than making your body produce insulin to have to deal with it. for me personally sugar rich foods while tripping are a no no

quids work fine. I dont really hear about people complaining about it being washed into the gut or saliva destroying the salvinorin etc. Quids always work well for me.

True...saliva may not have a negative effect on salvorian A..
but it does more than most think.. and may have [some effect] on salvia...

Saliva is made up of about 98% water and 2% mucus , electrolytes, antibacterial compounds, and enzymes. Saliva moistens the food so it is easy to swallow, and also breaks down a sugar called starch. This is the first form of chemical digestion in the body. Saliva also contains powerful antibacterial agents that kill most of the bacteria that enters your mouth. It also secretes the Gustin hormone which is thought to play a part in developing your taste buds.

Another possibility, from the Sagewisdom FAQ:



I have never tried this but it seems interesting since my two Salvia smoking experiences were both so quick that I didn't get to make much use of them. Weird and somewhat entertaining but I can't say I brought back much more than a sense of WTF? They were not bad experiences, actually sort of nice, but I didn't have any burning desire to go there again afterwards.

Tincture didn't seem to work for me, my mouth got so full of saliva so fast that I couldn't really keep it in my mouth long enough to have it absorb well.

I suppose if you used concentrated leaf instead of plain leaf you could get away with less volume of material in your mouth and probably have a more powerful experience. Might want to work up to that though. Plus you wouldn't have an attractive piece of candy sitting around that might tempt someone into unknowingly dosing on Salvia

Even though it really seems not to be for me I feel bad about the Salvia situation. Here was a legal psychedelic that people just abused with no respect at all, posted their 'trips' all over youtube until it was made illegal in many states with no more reason than OMG Think Of The Children! There was a real chance for this stuff to have been a low key addition to the psychedelic culture before every college kid in the country decided to post a vid of their 80x freakout inline. I'll admit it's kind of funny to watch those trip videos but after I watch 4 or 5 of them I usually feel sort of bummed out.

spinCycle ...
I agree that much or most of salvias ingrediants are wasted by saliva mixing with it either swallowing it or spitting most of the salvia in the trash..
I would use an alcohol based extract compleatly dried then mixed with something like melted sugarfree candy or some thing that will mix and get thick upon drying or cooling..
[like a sublingual pill]
The whole idea is to suspend the extract in something like a pill or peice of candy..
Im also thinking on the posibility of just evaporating the extract down to a thick waxy material and cutting it into square wafers then held under the tounge...
The whole idea is to keep the salvia intact in mouth longer for more absorbtion and less loss by swallowing or spitting out a mouthfull of salvia rich saliva in to the trash..
what a waste...

"I agree that much or most of salvias ingrediants are wasted by saliva mixing with it either swallowing it or spitting most of the salvia in the trash.."

Why? Is this from experience? I have been growing salvia and ingesting it for years now and in my experience quids are superior to alcohol extracts and tinctures. Maybe you guys just have not perfected the quid method? There is a specific way to do it so that you maximize the effects. If you dont do it perfect it can be less than expected.

I have not had a chance to try fresh leaf. The saliva problem was from alcohol tincture from Siebert's site. In a few minutes my whole mouth was full of spit. Sadly, it has been made illegal in my state. I may at some point have access to some dried leaf from a friend, but it is doubtful I will find fresh leaf among my friends.

I had a plant growing at one point, but it seemed to shock very easily in my dry climate. Even though I haven't worked with it much it makes me sad that this one got locked down in just a few short years.

This is only from my personal experiance ..that when trying to quid ..[quality dry leaves]..
i also get a mouth full of saliva and have to spit it out.. and that seems wastefull...
also most reports I have read about quidding salvia dont seem to have a high degree of sucess...
Someone must be doing something wrong ..
If you are having good sucess maybe its because your using fresh leaves?
And as far as there being a special [Method] of quidding salvia?...
If you know how mabey you might want to share ...

Do you have any info how how to create hard candies or tablets from an alkaloid liquid extract?