Of course all of you nexus members and myself believe DMT to be something else, something deeper, than just a hallucinogen, and in my beliefs, i have thought this molecule to maybe have a key to something bigger. Something bigger than our current state of reality. After all, even from ancient times of shamans and tribes using ayahuasca, to even the most recent of DMT trips, there have been visions of "machine elves" of The goddess shiva, and many other reoccurring feelings, emotions, and sights that dmt brings to you. After all this molecule not only exists in OURSELVES, but exists in scores of plants and animals.

So much like a lot of religion (belief) there is almost always some sort of doubt.

So what if, nexus members, all of these visions and belief and truth that we take from these visions/hallucionations, are just only figments of our immagination? that all of this is just some crazy trippy drug?

What are all of your thoughts on this?

Much love.

My thoughts are that you've not went far enough.

Being alive and consciouss is definitely weird and trippy all on it's own. Thank goodness for dmt though so we can breakthrough the trippiness into the truth (maybe)

But then that beckons the question, "what is our imagination".. that in itself, the human mind, consciousness... what is the nature of such things? Illusion or not, the fact that these things are experienced, the fact that the observer exists at all is a deeply mysterious phenomena and illusion would imply that there is something behind consciousness.. we can't really know, as we cannot get behind consciousness

Its important to remember that an experience whilst on a drug is not the drug itself.. the drug acts as a catalyst for that experience. The realignment of brain chemistry allows for the experience, but that does not make the experience invalid in anyway shape or form.. the relationship between brain chemistry and experiences in consciousness I dont think are completely understood as it stands. Under the fairly well accepted mainstream view that the brain creates consciousness, then yes I can see how people see it as a detraction from the experience, though it really also depends on your view on the relationship between matter and consciousness.

I myself see matter as a product of consciousness.. I see the brain as a tool for consciousness but not consciousness itself.. kind of like a vessel, and in that regard I think consciousness can manifest on a number of differen't realms other than the consistent material one we find ourselves so consistently dwelling in, during this lifetime.

sorry dont have the time to type right now.. will ellaborate later!

so what if it is? everything you experience is tempered and filtered by your imagination - your imagination IS your world, and we may never find anything more REAL than that

Good point acacian, I suppose we can never know the truth, only search for it. All i was saying is, what if all our thoughts on this are completely 100% wrong, and we find out only when we depart from this reality? or we may not find out. That applies to not only our DMT experiences and truths we grab from our trips, but anything, any religion, and belief, i mean to even conjure up an idea of why we are here is a mystery to every single human being that exists, whether they believe they know why they are on this earth or not, nobody REALLY knows.

Because we are so used to this trippy world seeing what could be "normal" reality would certainly would be trippy on it's own because we are not used to that reality opposed to ours, eh?

Yes something like that

If anything my visions point toward normal reality being an illusion. I also agree with what acacian was saying, say dreans for instance, we all experience them, and most agree they are our imagination, but how many of us know we are dreaming when its happening? Very few.. so who is to say this is not just a dream we are in? Maybe one day we will wake up and say, wow what a strange dream!

So What........

Thinking about it causes confusion. It just is. Everything. So don't take it so seriously.

Not saying reality is an illusion, but it may be. It's all about perspective.

I think the illusion is that everything is either real or not real, but I think it can be real/not real at the same time. Since we tend to think rather linearly, we force ourselves to assume that we only have one choice, and that it must be one or the other.

Is impossible that everything you see and experience while on DMT is it part of your imagination. I have been shown various things that I had no prior knowledge or understanding of. Some of which include higher mathematical equations. After a few days of research after the experience I was able to find out what the equations were and what they ment. The complexity was amazing it is the highest possible theoretical math known today. Either I'm getting the knowledge from outside myself or tapping into a collective consciousness

Is impossible that everything you see and experience while on DMT is it part of your imagination. I have been shown various things that I had no prior knowledge or understanding of. Some of which include higher mathematical equations. After a few days of research after the experience I was able to find out what the equations were and what they ment. The complexity was amazing it is the highest possible theoretical math known today. Either I'm getting the knowledge from outside myself or tapping into a collective consciousness

I agree.. It is very confusing, so many possibilities my sober mind cannot register!!

A blink of an eye ago we were banging rocks together, now we contemplate the nature of reality and the possibility of an alternate universe... we are all just learning how to hold a spoon in the evolution of human consciousness. EVERYTHING we perceive is REAL, whether it be external to our physical bodies or internal to our mind. Is a dream real? Is Love real? Is thought real? Is the fact that everything you see and touch is nothing more than energy with varying degrees of positive and neative energies, mere sound and light? are you any more real now than when you live out half of your life in your dream body or for that matter your hyperspace body?

Hell it's all real AND an illusiion... our puny minds simply can't comprehend the two in parallel.

I think the psychedelic trip is as real as anything else, but it is important that it remains in context within the memories of the trip itself. Take the context out and that is when you start losing the plot

Perhaps 'all' it does is transcend us to the realm of which we already exist! Vibrational,electrical,and electromagnetic energy!

Consider for a moment the infinite expanse of space in the universe. How far it goes, how much can exist, how much probably does exist. In such a context the notion of Aliens existing seems an absolutely certainty.

Now take that mentality and apply it not to the infinite expanse of space, but rather, the infinite expanse of time.

How far back does time go? How many species have risen and fallen, how many species have achieved true artificial intelligence? How many species have achieved the creation of systems which can create entire worlds, eco-systems of intelligence and life in them? Given the infinite amount of time that has existed before us, it is statistically probable that such a thing has been created. With that, it is statistically probably that we ourselves are existing in such a system right now.

BTW, if your not familiar, within eastern mysticism context the 'illusion' is referred to as Maya.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(illusion)

Although it is important to understand that 'Maya' is a unique concept to the English language it is only ROUGHLY translated to meaning 'illusion'. The English has no real direct translation of the word, as the word is an entire concept, most similar to the English concept of 'illusion', but still completely different.

If you are interested in the concept of our reality being an illusion, the sanskrit word Maya, and all the philosophizing that has been written associated to it can be very interesting to read through.

Reality is neither 'real' nor 'non-real'; it is appearance.