Hello nexus!

I have been recently thinking about trying LSD, before mushrooms or DMT. I have heard you have more control rather than on DMT or mushrooms, as in its a more "stable" trip. I want to get prepared for my ultimate goal of Dimethyltryptamine, whether ayahuasca or Freebase.

Much love.

honestly changa is the way to go.
it only lasts a few minutes, and you don't have to go deep at all. its very easy to work your way up.

mushrooms and lsd/lsa are good for first time as well(my first trip was on mushrooms and it was incredible [as with every shroom and lsa trip since]); but if DMT is the molecule you are aiming to work with: work with DMT.

with DMT (and changa especially) there really are a lot of sub-breakthrough realms that aren't discussed much here (the reason as to why will become apparent when you have your first breakthrough )

that being said, if DMT is too difficult for you to access right now (can't find extract materials or what have you) other ergolines/tryptamines are well worth the experience.

LSD is an amazing tool. Yes, the experience is generally less disorientating. I always feel good in public with lucy or in crowds, not with mushrooms. But it CAN go both ways. Start low.

I love lucy, but I'm much more weary nowadays about when and where.

I will have to try changa soon

I am able to get some supplies for the DMT extraction, so i will deffinetly put this into consideration! i will also try lsd soon aswell. thank you for your input!

I support trying LSD first, mostly because it lets you get familiar with the psychedelic experience in a way where it comes on slower and lasts longer - so plenty of time to relax and explore. I'm glad I'd had prior trip experience on acid before breaking through on DMT, definitely made it that much easier to handle.

Makes sense lexiqon, i have been in the position where i was going to take lsd, but i hate the biggest pre flight anxiety i couldnt do it.

My experience with LSD vs Mushrooms is.

There is a certain fundamental difference between what they show you, but it is in the same genre.

Psilocybin can let you poke your head in there and look around. Then psilocybin wears off, you largely go back to normal.

LSD will more easily let you integrate into yourself, permanently, things that LSD and psilocybin shows you.

I go to psilocybin when I just want to explore. I go to LSD when I specifically know what I want, and what I want to integrate. It is true LSD is more controllable, but this brings the greater question of, do you really know what you want to control? Control and freedom sounds great on the surface, but until you know what to do with such freedom, it can be far more terrifying. More choices can bring more confusion, it can bring more fear, it can bring more unknowing, it can bring a greater spiritual crisis. This is why I generally refer people to mushrooms first if they are interested in such things. I feel that if you take psilocybin and you feel there is something there for you, then you should go to LSD to make it more permanent.

That's totally understandable, GroundSound.

Almost everyone experiences pre-trip anxiety at some point. I had it pretty bad once with lsd after some previous bad trips. The next go I was super nervous but as it came on and I started noticing the cool things that were happening the anxiety completely disappeared and I was able to enjoy the trip. Having a sitter helps a lot with the mental reassurance that someone is there if you need them.

I haven't done shrooms yet but I find lsd trips are on the whole pretty easy to steer, so if a bad thought pops in it's easy to just change focus/activity/music/environment and that takes care of it. If you've covered set & setting you won't have to worry at all. First time I had acid at the beach I was a little nervous prior but it all faded into wonderful awesomeness soon after.

Another option is to have a smaller dose and work from there. All the best

well, ill tell ya what i know-

first off, i dont know s**t about lsd. lol. sorry. i choose to not do it, due to a close love and interest in living things, so, plants, fungi, and animals are the only sources of my entheogenic experiances. i make exceptions for very well synthesized tryptamines, but again only those found in nature.

but as for lsd-25, ive heard a fair bit- ive heard its very nonvisual at lower to medium doses, and that only in larger amount will it yield to visions. ive heard it more messes with how youre processing the visual information already arriving- imagine mentally dissecting the cat as it walks in. you still see the cat, yet you can imagine him living as cross sections of himself, or imagine vividly what he might be feeling, etc.

this is generally something i could agree with, due to experiances with morning glory seeds which were similar.

im sorry to address this, but you want control of a trip. almost all psychedelics give me control, so completely, yet misunderstandably. the slightest thought influences the trip, and my mood becomes the atmosphere around me. you have complete control of the trip, but alot of people do not have complete control of *themselves*. when your conscious mind has the reigns, so does the subconscious.

the best trips ive had were those in which i had the will to give up control. its positive, if you feel that the substance is positive. my settings are almost always religous-spiritual. i fast for a half or quarter of a day, i say prayers to who i say prayers to, i say prayers to the substance itself, and i am exceedingly careful not to mix substances like alcohol, caffiene, perscription and OTC medicines, or addictive substances (for 3 days before at times, especially when the chosen substance is syrian rue, a la carte). i do mix cannabis into the experiance so as to combat nausea, soothe fear, and sometimes, when at the right moment, to initiate the visuals.

something ive heard btw, lsd-25 is actually strikingly visual- when combined with mescaline and hash.

of course i would recommend you follow my path. but that is unhelpful-

if i were to include lsd in my psychedelic regimen, then from what i've read i would place it above cannabis, syrian rue, and mushrooms, but below dmt. but there is extremely little that can prepare you for dmt. and lsd might get you used to a slow building experiance, which is firmly NOT dmt-like in at least that respect.

ADDED: (i would suppose the reason lsd is easy to steer is becuase it is slow building, gentle, and subtle. while it could overwhelm, it most often wouldnt becuase the intensity is stretched over a long time. keep this in mind with ayahuasca that has dmt admixtures, becuase the dmt wont break you through except with heroic doses. the intensity of dmt is stretched over 3-4 hours, and thus is subtler. keep in mind through that dmt will not be easy (if its possible at all) to steer.)

i always recommend trying a very small dose, than a small dose, than what youre comfortable with. some people are actualy allergic to these substances, and you DO NOT want to find that out on a strong dose yielding a bad trip. even with dmt. i heard in a TKMcK youtube lecture to not do this with dmt, that because the launch to hyperspace is so scary, the best approach is to take a breakthrough dose the first time. i would not quite agree. i feel more prepared for dmt's next layer, having pealed off the first.

(i consider it like asking for an invitation to a party, rsvping, and arriving, as opposed to coming unannounced and uninvited)

but hey, some jump in a pool, some get used to the water. its a matter of preference here.

if i had to reccomend a starting substance, id say morning glory seeds. itll give you a taste of lsd, and lasts anywhere from the duration of mushrooms to the duration of lsd. ive seen sites say 12 hours and sites that say 5. also its nausea is quite possibly the WORST of the tryptamine hallucinagens, so itll harden you for following experiments. the only tryptamines that can compete with it are the beta-carbolines of syrian rue and ayahuasca.

many people have told me that lsd-25 is near impossible to find anymore, and notoriously immitated, doctored, laced, synthesized poorly or simply labeled as lsd when its NOT. though i don't want to scare you either. someone once told me they had lsd, and that while rare and hard to verify, what he had was pure and trustworthy, and the synthesizers just went even more underground.

(he also told me the synthesizers suffer exceedingly high trips while in its manufacture, because it would be impossible *not* to ingest it by inhalation when working in the lab)

assuming you do find a credible source and a pure enough substance, i would recommend starting out on cannabis, morning glories, and syrian rue. then mushrooms, then lsd, then dmt. pay careful attention to dose and experiance. low doses of lsd do less than high doses of mushrooms do.