Hey everyone!
So I am new here, my name's Fedoua, I'm 19 and I live in Paris!

I am so sorry that this is going to be long but It would mean a lot if just a person could read it and give me an opinion on it

These days I've been reading lots of stuff about DMT, and listening a lot to Terrence Mckenna, some things he says are so interesting and mind-blowing. I've never tried DMT, though I'd really like to (but I'm waiting to be older)- what fascinates me so much about it is the idea that there is something way bigger and greater than the *basic* life we have in this world. (I'm bad with words but I hope I'm making sense)... When I was 13 or 14, I had two dreams that I could never forget, some beauty that's beyond anything I could ever put into words. I was in a place where i could see all the seasons, and the colours were so diverse and so so beautiful, it was so overwhelming that i would wake up crying and sad that such beauty was just a dream? and it almost felt like it was in another dimension, not completely, but in some way. Maybe 8 months ago, I was looking for info on psychedelic drugs for a school thing, and I've came across DMT and read some experiences and I was so mind-blown that such a thing could exist and how not so many people know about it. I told myself that maybe my brain released some then ? And if that's the case then it's something I would like to try and the idea of being thrown into another dimension fascinated me, but I still told myself I would love to do it when I'm older cause you never know what could happen. And I kind of forgot about it with the time, and continued to live without the obsession of 'ohmygod i wanna enter another reality!!' Problem is now that I've experienced sleep paralysis, I am quite intrigued by human brain and am now terrified of thinking about another dimension. It only happened twice. Sometime back in may? And I know it's not about consuming DMT and I'm sorry i'm posting in a dmt forum but I would really love to have DMT users opinions on it.

So I'm in a long distance relationship and usually everynight, me and my gf would skype at night till I fall asleep, everynight. I got used to that, and we would both fall asleep at like 3am. But that time, she wasn't there and I told myself that it would be nice to use that opportunity to fall asleep earlier and fix my sleeping pattern. I lay in bed, and I wasn't stressed out, nor tired, nor sad... I was just normal, and I still couldn't sleep cause I wasn't used to sleeping around midnight. I did some breathing exercise that would make me fall asleep in a more relaxed way, and as I start to relax, I have some visions? (you know the short dreams that aren't really dreams you have before actually really falling asleep profoundly?) I had a dream that I was texting one of my bestfriends in my kitchen (kitchen is where i actually spend time at night on the internet cause my appartment is small and I don't have my own room so I wouldn't disturb my parents/little brother) and she texted me something that really made me angry so I closed my phone and I was so upset and at some point I started not to feel well, as if I was going to faint, and I tried to call someone to help, but no sound could come out of my mouth cause I started to get weak, and then, my head becomes so heavy that I just fall on the ground and faint and everything goes black and I VIOLENTLY ''wake up'' and I get shaken in an extreme violence? I can't even explain it but I heard a super scary buzzing sound and a sensed a giant force that took hold of my bed and made my bed actually turn? IT IS SO frustrating cause I can't put words on how powerful it felt. I remember my mind couldn't even think, I was just a victim of what was happening to me. I couldn't even think, all i felt was extreme fear. all i could do is mentally try to hold on to my bed so i wouldn't fall, but it felt as if a bad force was trying to destroy me or scare me. then it stopped and i couldn't speak nor move and that was the worst feeling ever. Then I've never heard of sleep paralysis so I just told myself well my brain fucked up hard and I PRAY it won't happen again, and in within 2 hours I fell asleep and nothing happenened. But every night I wouldn't be able to sleep normally cause I was terrified it would happen again. AND the only night that I wasn't scared of it, it happened again, and that was the most terryfing experience in my life ever. That time I was speaking to my gf on skype, she was scared of some lights outside, and as a joke i said :'' it's the aliens coming to take you!! '' and she got even more scared, and doesn't like it when i mention aliens so i decided to make a funny story that would relax her about it and i went on like ''Well in truth I AM not from this earth but I came here cause you're so perfect and I wanna take you to my planet which is complete heaven, only few humans deserve to be there and I've picked you! '' .. I mean I tried to make it romantic see? ahaha, and i went on with a story i created in my mind, and then she fell asleep. I've went so far in my 'alien' story that i got a little scared, but i distracted my mind from thinking about existence of them, and i started to fall asleep, thinking of positive things. and this is how it went in my mind, don't laugh if it starts off stupid!: )---> I'm a huge fan of Lady Gaga and met her several times (shes the reason why I met my girlfriend that I completely adore) and I've seen an adorable picture of her on the internet with some taiwanese kids, and I was thinking about that with a stupid smile on my face and then.. I've had an intrusive thought, of an asian baby that was getting beaten up by his parents? (Few weeks before I've watched a shocking video of an asian woman beating up her kid with a remote control on his head thats maybe why?!) but I forgot about it though... anyways so I see his parents with the sense that they are horrible persons, and then I see the baby (and it is thoughts I did not create?!!), and the baby becomes evil? and It gets so so so so so terryfind and threating and beyond any fear I've ever had and as that baby's image is in my head and becomes threatening, in a second, my brain and body completely shut down. It was weird cause I wasn't dreaming. NOR sleeping. I was just picturing things in my mind before sleep, and I was fully conscious, but that image just got imposed to me ?! EVERYTHING, in a second went completely BLACK but it's a 'black' that felt horryfing, not just when you close your eyes and see nothing! then I hear a metal sound knocking on my door. STRONGLY. TERRYFINGLY. AND it got CLOSER AND CLOSER and I could see nothing and couldn't stop my mind and then that sound comes really close from my ear to the point it becomes unbearable and at the moment it came really close, i felt a violent disconnection between my mind and my body. i felt that my mind was completely alone, somewhere else, in a dimension that wasn't this. that wasn't earth; it felt like emptiness, but with a huge evil, extremely dark presence. I was terrified and I remember I even gave up on life then, I told myself ''I am not safe anymore, my mind and body don't belong to me and I am at the mercy of this presence and could die any minute now ''. My mind was out of my body, completely out, I oculdn't feel any thing that would attach me to material things, as if my soul got taken away in a very unwelcoming place. the scariest thing is I couldn't control my thoughts. I couldn't include some positive thoughts that would get me out of hell. my question is, with DMT, when you are in the trip, can you control in some way, what you see?

then when I wake up, same thing, I couldn't move nor talk and it lasted for maybe 15 seconds: longest 15 seconds of my life. It feels as if you're not the master of your body nor mind anymore. Is it the same with DMT? Do you feel as if there is something so much bigger that you have actually NO control whatsoever about it?

I went to see a doctor that was a specialist when it came to sleep, and he told me that I shouldn't worry nor think about other dimensions, that it's just my brain 'fucking up' in a way you know? But when I hear people being so convinced about the existence of another 'world', it frightens me now. AND yesterday I've read this: http://thespiritscience....101-dmt-sleep-paralysis/ and it's freaking me out even more.

I'm wondering now.... if it's really another dimension, why the hell did I get to experience such bad things when I didn't even ask for it? Or IS it just my brain getting delirious and it has not link to something supernatural?
and I've just heard yesterday about Astral projection, and all I see on the internet is people trying to find ways to experience that and struggling for it. and it gives advices to control that but here's what I don't get: IF you can control your thoughts and make it an experience that is not frightening... Then doesn't it mean that it is just the result of your brain and not something bigger? I mean if something is more powerful than you then how can you control it and choose if you can have good experiences or bad experiences? Is the other dimension completely linked to the brain or is it separate from it? When you take DMT do you just let go, and your thoughts go with the flow or does what you see in the trip actually strongly depends on your emotions and thoughts? LIKE how do YOU think when you take dmt? Cause since apparently it's produced when you die... would it mean that the after life depends on your thoughts??! I know it's a huge mystery, and I hope I don't sound to ignorant, but I am so into it and I'm looking for answers cause I am so lost and confused now.

If that's you in your profile pic i would advise you to change it as The Traveler doesn't want face pics of members on the site. Welcome to the nexus btw

Ah sorry and thank you

I get similar experiences with sleep paralysis. They can be extremely unsettling. I don't personally find the sensations of DMT and sleep paralysis to be all too similar. They can both seem incredibly real, but in their own unique ways IME.



The answer is yes and no. You can alter the trip (typically minimally). Some people have learned to exercise greater control than others, but DMT seems to be "designed" as more of a passive experience. It happens to you; you shouldn't really be trying to control it in the first place. The larger issue here isn't whether or not you can control it, but whether or not you can learn to relinquish control. Experiences tend to turn traumatic IME when you resist and try to impose your own control on the situation. By letting what will happen happen, surprisingly positive results can be obtained. A big theme of the whole experience is learning to let go and surrender control. These skills are quite useful and applicable in daily life as well.



Thought it's not proven to be released when you die (mere speculation), I've thought of a possible solution to this thought problem. It becomes apparent through cross-examination of different dose ranges of experience. In other words, at lower doses, the brain's filters are more apparent. So when you close your eyes, you may see afterimages of the room you're in, or with your eyes open you may have the walls wiggling and moving and whatnot. At higher doses however, the brain's filters become less and less apparent, and more of the other realm (wherever and whatever that is) becomes more and more present. If it is in fact released when you die, then I could imagine the brain's filters simply dropping out entirely to be replaced exclusively by perception of other dimensions. Again I emphasize that this whole area of thought belongs to pure speculation.

Lastly, the neurological basis for DMT experiences (or at least ayahuasca experiences) and dreams has been demonstrated with fMRI to be completely different. Dreaming is much more closely related to the neurological configurations for the imagination whereas with ayahuasca, it was demonstrated that the closed-eye visuals were actually much closer to open-eyed perception of external reality. Food for thought.

Thank you Global, Its just that i used to be so fearless about trying dmt but sleep paralysis now ruined it

And also, does the idea of seeing such different things makes the real material world boring, in a way? Has DMT ever lead someone into depression?

Honestly, if it's the sleep paralysis you're worried about, that's a whole other beast really. Those are so scary and unpleasant for me, yet I do just fine with DMT. I encourage you to exercise caution nonetheless, as there may be control issues present, but it's something that many of us have had to get over and grow through anyway. It's a learning curve.



In my own personal experience, though the DMT realm is easily more beautiful and fascinating than day-to-day reality, I've found that it has the opposite effect of making the material world boring. It will call your attention to things you've never noticed. I've discovered a deep well of order and beauty in every day life, even when not having smoked DMT for extended periods. If anything the physical world is more beautiful and imbued with meaning for me now than ever. I notice more color; more detail, more patterns - they're real, and they've always been there, but what was once perceived as crass and chaotic is now perceived as organized, logical, meaningful and significant.

DMT can make people anxious, certainly. Some become annoyed by their constant thoughts on anything DMT. Others may become disenchanted in any variety of ways primarily due to doses that are too high, poor intentions, poor integration and resistance to change. Like any "technology" it can have its "good/bad" applications, and some will find it much more useful than others.

I too had sleep paralysis experiences that also coincided with OBE experiences.

It was terrifying for me, but DMT has never been a problem. I have felt a bit overwhelmed by it at times but still felt ok and knew that the experience was only a temporary state and just went with it and was fine.

Sleep Paralysis, which I don't like, is a really different vibe/space/sensation to DMT in all my experiences.

A comment on this part here.

Just because something 'feels' evil or extremely dark - and considering this is a unknown, new feeling to you - would it not be fair to say it actually might not be 'evil' ?

What is 'evil' anyway.

With various experiences, I've seen things that initially scared the hell out of me. Almost an uncontrollable fear - more a reaction - but in the right mindset I now see anything odd more 'interesting' than 'evil'

Same goes for physical feelings that cause fear. I used to have heart pounding fears that I was about to die and now come to accept it. If I was going to have a heart attack, there's not really much I can do about it. I've learned to surrender to it and over time this fear went away.

I don't know what your beliefs are but maybe look into meditation; if you're into that sort've thing it can really help.

Learn to love this feeling and you will eventually conquer it.

IME some of these characters can get pretty vile.

During sleep paralysis or under the effects of DMT?

Sleep paralysis - I believe that this isn't anything but being trapped in a bad dream. As in, these 'characters' are not real and as such are not worth being scared about. It's just a physical nightmare.

DMT - Yet to experience this so I'm more interested here. Could you go into more detail? What you've tried and the results of it?

I understand there's a slight degree of hypocrisy here because there's no proof as such to either of them so how can I not believe sleep paralysis entities are real but DMT entities are, right?

Yeah. I don't know. It's just what I believe man.

Also! Please, I'm *really* open to all of this so please do not take my above comments about sleep p like "I'm telling you what this is" - don't want you to get the wrong idea.

Both lol, but I was referring to DMT actually. It may seem to contradict what I had said in an earlier post, but sleep paralysis entities tend to be scarier with a more dominating sense of control. A number of DMT entities I've met have demonstrated having intelligences that are informed other than by my own life experiences. When some of them turn hostile and they get right up in your grill and can leave you "slimed" and feeling drained, it becomes a different issue of simply "letting go" IMO, as much as letting go may often be the ideal response in difficult situations.

It is in fact leagues easier to go through the experience believing that these entities aren't real, but let me propose this question. I'm not saying that you do believe in the healing ability of positive entities, but for those who do, if the experience has the capability of healing, why would it not be logical to assume that it could have the ability to do the opposite?

Nicely put.

I would say that things that have the capability to heal/hurt are entirely subjective. One mans horror is another mans paradise.

My argument (not literally!!) would focus around the person experiencing these entities, their understanding of them and how that makes them feel. If they are of a naturally nervous disposition, it's fair to say they would be more negative around anything felt unnatural.

Let's take the DMT entities for example. You say they turn hostile and get up in your grill and you feel drained. Would you not agree that the hostile feelings are your interpretation of something that may actually be positive?

Your comment about it being easier to be a non-believer is interesting and I think holds a relationship to fear.

When you hear a sudden bang or noise, it makes you jump and you feel scared, right? Seconds after that, you realise it's the door slamming due to wind or whatever. I think we're hardwired to sense fear before anything (adrenaline/safety mechanism?) and so would say it's easier to fear than to be at peace and love these 'bad' entities.

I think you underestimate the sheer unpredictability of the experience. Set/setting is all well and good, but DMT can trump it again and again and again with it's x-factor (its complete nothing logical will affect your experience). I've loaded up small doses some days and gotten huge experiences. I've gone in with bad sets and had extremely positive outcomes. The second time for example that I had a white light experience and encountered the godhead was possibly one of the worst sets I had. Going into the experience I was exhausted and agitated. Coming out of it, I was crying with joy. I agree that the way that one's general demeanor can affect the experience, but out of my experiences, I would have to disagree that their dispositions and the like are the sole culprits because if you do it enough, you'll see all sides of it, in the most unpredictable, irrational way non-imaginable.



I would like to clarify. I am distinguishing between different kinds of difficult and even negative situations. There are many times where an entity may be intensely managing things. They may be tossing you about like a rag doll, but I can usually easily patiently let them do their thing and then all the intensity from the energy (even if it's a negative energy) kind of flips on its head, and the experience has often bloomed euphorically from there. This is distinguishable from a different class of entities that are made up of these more cancerous geometries and from my experience, they don't care if you "let go", in fact they prefer it, and when the experience is over, they're the only ones laughing. Furthermore in shamanism in the Amazon, they've been dealing quite seriously with brujeria for thousands of years. Are we to not learn anything from them? Are they all just nervous nelly scaredy cats?



You misunderstand the door slamming issue or the dog barking or whatever it may be. It's not a matter of fear. In fact it doesn't even matter if I could predict the entire event and not be startled by it. It has to do with sound. Hyperspace and the entities are very much cymatic beings. By that I mean they run on sound/vibration. In my experience, it has been my observation that they use vibration (sometimes in the form of sound, sometimes otherwise) to facilitate their movements and actions. There is a strong synaesthetic effect with music that is connected to this notion. Unfortunately, the "mechanics" of the experience can be unusually sensitive, so that the phone ringing can disrupt and dislodge the experience, not because it scared or startled me, but because it interfered cymatically too much. It's like putting a magnet on a computer; you're interfering with their "signal". Lastly, these entities have been giving me some trouble for a little while now. I've tried running the gamut on ways to deal with them. Everything from loving them to surrendering unconditionally to trying to "fight back", and I think probably the most effective means I've found for dealing with them stems simply from ignoring them which I go into detail on in this thread of mine

Usually I'm not a person that gets scared easily, I'm really curious and I always do research about ''horrible things'' and try to see them objectively and always use and control my mind not to be 'scared/disgusted'. I've had really scary nightmares in the past, but somehow, in the dream I would be aware that it's a nightmare and I would tell myself 'Okay, well wake up now' I have always been in control. and i never believed in 'evil', i believe human beings are the ones that turn into evil.

and i think it's amazing that you found a way to 'embrace' that feeling and just accept it and surrender. but what happened to me, it was the first time I ever experienced something like that, and it never happened to me again, but before sleep I always hope that it won't happen to me.

To describe it more precisely....

It just did not feel safe. I didn't feel in control of my mind, and that's the scariest thing here for me. It literally felt like 'a presence' tried to shake me. It's put me in the dark, away from my home, away from my safety, somewhere where it was entirely black, with no hope, no love... nothing, and felt like '' GUESS WHAT YOU HAVEE NOOOOO CONTROL OVER YOUR BODY NOR YOUR MIND NOR NOTHING LOOK I AM MORE POWERFUL THAN YOU AHHAHA I COULD KILL YOU IN A SECOND RIGHT NOW AND YOU CAN'T EVEN MOVE NOR GET BACK IN SAFETY I CHOOSE FOR HOW LONG YOU STAY IN THIS STATE HA ''.. It sounds stupid BUT if that thing could talk it would say that.. in a scarier way

also the scary thing is I felt my body was left alone. like I felt my 'soul' was out of it and was somewhere else and that is something I could have not imagined possible EVER. Why would an entity even do that to me? I mean if it wasn't evil then why would it do that? It's scary as hell, and makes you feel powerless. Completely powerless. And usually I am not a person that wants to have control over everything, but if there's something I want to have control of, it's my mind.. I feel it is ''me'' and I don't want anyone to control that, see? I don't know if I'm making sense. But I feel completely paralyzed mentally, not capable of thinking.. AND in ' scary' everyday situations, when people start to freak out.. I'm always the one that tries to ignore all negative things and I'll be like ''OK so let's think, this is what we're going to do''.

SO for me, to have this happen to me, something I did not expect and I did not have the knowledge of... AND have control over my mind which nothing or no one did ever have on me, it freaked me out a lot and was the most terrifying thing ever, at that moment my mind could not think, i couldn't tell myself ''okay well no matter how scary this may feel i have the opportunity to have an experience .... so relax '' no way, i didn't have the time. i'm usually that kind of relaxed person but if i could use an image to describe what happened, i'm in my bed,and an unknown force from another dimension took my soul out of my body and threw it somewhere out of this world where it is and dark with a pressuring atmosphere, very far from my safety. I don't know how I can love a feeling that I did not choose, it might sound extreme but it would be the same for me as learning to enjoy getting raped? Cause I didn't ask for THIS at all, and feels like a violent intrusion. I'm happy it didn't happen again but all I know is it feels WAY more than a bad dream. In dreams somehow, it's always something you know. It's your imagination, and no matter what I dream it's always related to things I've seen in real life, or movies, or whatever. It doesn't come out of nowhere. It seems for dmt and sleep paralysis it's stuff that just .. wasn't ever in your mind, so you end up mind-blown, differently yes but you end up with the feeling that there's.. another world?

I will agree with you here. Having not experienced this personally myself, I am only applying my own logic to the situation to further learn and also challenge to maybe help you see things in a different light. So I will conceed your point. It would be disrespectful to further challenge you for the sake of it; you've answered my points fully.

I'll take a look at your thread shortly; thanks for the link.


Thanks for the lengthy reply; an interesting read.

The way you describe it certainly paints a 3d picture for me to which I can only apologise you've experienced this and wish it doesn't happen to you again in that way. I have said that I don't believe this is real but don't want to push my point of view any more on this; it's clear you believe the opposite. I'm always interested in the unknown so have some questions for you.

Forgive me if you've already mentioned this; but did you ever see anything during this experience or was it just pure black? Did you attempt to communicate with it at all and ask it what it wanted/why it's here?

Just FYI - I have had a few experiences of sleep paralysis myself but have never felt a presence in the room with me. I've felt a little scared to begin with and then slowly laugh to myself which usually loosens things up (a kinda 'whoops, stuck again!' mindset) or I violently 'shake' myself which seems to dislodge me from this paralysis. This usually ends in 2-5 seconds.

I also watched a documentary called 'The Entity' lately which went into a few various accounts of people having these terrifying experiences. Of these, the most interesting was the following;

A guy would be possesed whilst sleeping it seemed. He would wake up, scream in quite a demonic way and then run around (usually at a door) and punch it wildly until he woke up. He filmed it which was a scary watch. There was also an account where he threw himself through a window, woke up and heard "See you later Rick" (I think that was his name)

He then went to a controlled enviroment when they set up things attached to his body and sure enough on the first night, his eyes went O_O, his mouth went :-O and just stared like that for a while. It was pretty creepy. Also the machines showed he was still sleeping.

If you're interested, it can be seen here;

https://www.youtube.com/...layer_detailpage#t=2248s