Hi,

I have done pharmahuasca about 10 times ranging from 130mg to 170mg (usually 130mg)so I have a lot of experience with it's effects. I decided to join a group with a Peruvian shaman and try ayahuasca for the 1st time.

My question is, does having a shaman present really make a difference? I've heard they have special knowledge to help with the healing and want to see if there anything special about it. I never felt there was any need for one as I get a lo from the experience.

Can anyone comment that has done aya with and without the shaman and what the benefits are?

Thank,

santos

This is obviously a debatable topic. Of course some shaman will be shams to begin with, and while they're not necessary, I think they may modulate the experience in interesting ways. For me, the experience is so vibration and sound-driven that I could see a shaman's icaros for example interact with the experience on a very fundamental level which could prove to be quite helpful. Also there may be less fear because of the kind of "security blanket" presence they can have. You'll have to let us know your opinion afterwards. Can't wait to hear about it.

I will definitely be reporting back on the experience.

Before I start, I would like to say that the shaman V appeared to be genuine and that the other 19 people in the group probably don't share my experience.

As previously stated, I have done pharma about 10 times in the past, but never aya or in the presence of a shaman. I guess it's hard to compare aya to pharma in general because the brew can vary so much and for me pharma is always perfectly dosed. I use syrian rue because I find it adds a loving quality to the experience, though outside during the day, cappi works good for me too.

The space was a dance studio overlooking NYC with 20 foot ceilings. The brew was cappi and charuca.

1st the brew I took.

It was nasty and hard to keep down. The nausea was overwhelming and never went away. There was no direction to the experience. The CEV were sloppy and unclear, like an orchestral without a conductor. I really think there was too much caapi in the brew. My two friends that were there have done several ceremonies with V and said others brews weren't like that.

2 The ceremony.
After taking the brew, we all sat on yoga mats. We had to agree not to leave until it was over. It lasted from 9pm to 2:30 am. No walking around only to use the restroom. We had a beautiful city through the window but we could look out. We had to sit there in the dark for 5 hours on the floor with no escape. He kept saying we had to focus inward. We had buckets to purge and that was the only sound we heard other than his occasional incaros.

Overall it was torture for me. Nothing revealed, no teacher spirit and lots of purging. If that would have been my 1st experience with the MAOI DMT combo, I would have never tried again. Lucky I know better. I like to see the beauty of the world when on pharma , lights, people, trees ect. I do not think I will ever do aya again. For me, pharma is what aya has evolved to and has given me so much that I don't need to look further.

My conclusion is that aya is now the poor man's pharma and I will stay with my old reliable friend.

santos

PS-does anyone know how to reach a moderator for this site?

sure, all mods have a little badge, whats up?

Thanks Gammagore,

I've been a member for years and everything I know about DMT I've learned here. About a year ago I posted an inappropriate questions about another BAD substance which I was involved with for a short time and had my posting privileges revoked. I really want to be able to post again and share experiences / questions with my friend here. I would like to request to be forgiven. I see how wrong the post was and am really sorry.

Thanks,

santos

"My conclusion is that aya is now the poor man's pharma and I will stay with my old reliable friend."

i think this statement is little ignorant and ur too unexperienced with aya to make such a conclusion. Because aya didnt fully reveal herself to u on the first go doesnt mean its not there, just means perhaps u weren't ready for it. I have much experience with both aya and pharma, and can say aya not always but usually the first experiences, is focused more around purging than visions. U see, We have so many layers of garbage built up over us throughout the years and aya helps slowly shed these layers, until we are able to reach the core. It is through the purge that most of the healing takes place and purge can come in many forms, puking, burps, farts, shivers...this is the problem with pharma, that its more trying to prevent the purge and just get the threshold of MAOI to hold the dmt. It is the caapi in fact that is the ayahuasca not the dmt, shamans say aya is the cave dmt the light. Aya is a teacher and in my opinion the most healing/protective/wise of all shamans so no a shaman is not required, but they defiantly can influence a trip as Global described. It took me a couple trips to get profound visions but i must say the journey is more than worth it, this journey might not be as easy as taking other substances but most things in life worth doing arent easy

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Thanks CB,

I really think the brew is not reliable because the DMT content will vary from plant to plant. I enjoy the purge sometimes on pharma. It's not accompanied by nausea and it's very deep and I feel unwanted things leaving my body and it's amazing. With the aya I did, it was just throwing up really. If you can extract all the active ingredients from cappi and mimosa, I do not see the point in ingesting sickening plant sludge. I tried aya to make the comparison, but for me, I don't see the point in getting sick to experience this medicine.

santos

You even said yourself that there was probably too much caapi, and as cosmic butterfly said, you're far too inexperienced with ayahuasca to make any sort of accurate judgment on this situation. Make a brew for yourself, try it at home at your leisure. If it doesn't work, you can drink more or even take pharma or smoke DMT.

You guys are probably right. But I can't even imaging putting myself through that again. But if I do, it will definitely make my own brew.

again if ur just throwing up dont see it as a bad thing, its a very good thing cleansing u of negative energies, look at how u felt day after in comparison to before u took it. In regards to dmt dosage yes chacruna can be tricky and cooking method is also factor, so lately i been swapping chacruna with pure dmt with very good results. Caapi though sticking to liquid brews find them muchh more effective n healing than powder extracts, so if u do decide to give another go highly recommend this and if want to go further yeh like global said take more or smoke dmt

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Thanks again cosmic butterfly,

I think I may try that route. I'm going to do pharma tonight as I was left with the yearning for the aya healing. I have cappi leaves but will order the vine for my next experience.

Doe anyone have any comment on the setting that I mentions above? Seems like the worst way to experience aya.

santos