(I'm putting this here because it seems like an amateur question of some kind. Once I come up with something more legit to post, I'll take advantage of my progress on the site.)

From watching The Spirit Molecule and reading the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry on DMT, I've gotten this impression that DMT hyperspace is not to be reached by the use of other psychedelics. However, this impression is not that strong, and I've tried to make up for its weakness by going through reports of LSD, salvia, DXM, etc. in Erowid's Experience Vault and comparing them to each other as well as to reports of DMT. Unfortunately, I still don't know that I've clearly identified anyone on Erowid attributing content to a trip that would normally only be attributed to trips on DMT. I know I did "break through" to somewhere on salvia, but that place was nowhere as awesome as Tool's music videos can be.

However, I have a firsthand report of someone on ecstasy listening to his favorite song while walking around, and here's what gets me: this guy didn't know about DMT at all at the time, except that Maynard James Keenan had done it and that some YouTube commentary on Tool had indicated some really extreme effect from doing the stuff. And you know what this guy says he saw as his favored tune hit its climax? He says he saw himself falling into this vast crystal light, flaring out like the sun, some ensapphired and ensapphiring aureate and crimson rapture. Recently, he found this image from digitalblasphemy,



and he says that it looks a lot like what he saw while rolling.

Now he's never said he "broke through" that night, but I'll be very, very damned if his vision doesn't sound similar to those who've read about the DMT "chrysanthemum." And like recurring images from DMT trips presenting with a strange objectivity or independence on their observers, this vision presented itself with a mysterious sense of having originated outside its seer's inner sight.

My first thought, more or less, was that maybe the guy's tabs were cut with DMT. But then I read that DMT is no good if ingested without an MAOI (hence ayahuasca), and that MDMA is no good if ingested with one. I know this guy didn't throw up or anything that night he rolled, so I doubt he had his DMT-esque experience due to DMT.

So, has anyone ever broken through on a psychedelic aside from DMT? (I've read, and agreed with, statements that it is possible to break through while sober/baseline/w/e the term is.) And I mean to the same place that we might say the Legend of DMT takes place in. I mean, has anyone ever read that DMT has isotopes, you might say? T. McKenna's reports make DMT sound overwhelmingly special.

Possibly DET, or any number of various RCs that have similar action, could be responsible.

As McKenna himself said high dose psilocybin ("5 grams in silent darkness.." ) can be as immersing and intense as a smoked DMT breakthrough. Few people ever go this far.
BTW, the 'chrystanthenum' is the beginning, not the breakthrough.

Even though it's too much for most, a few would say 5meoDMT is 'going further' than DMT.

I just read the McKenna thing in the books on this site.

But now I know to read the Erowid section on 5meoDMT, too. *Nods*



Ah, I just worded my post ambiguously... I meant to convey something like, "He didn't win the race, but I'll be damned if he didn't try as hard as he could."

Mushrooms, aya, and dreams can all do it

You can also 'breakthrough' on LSD or cacti, but its different. Salvia to, but that's a category of its own

It also seems possible through other means and for some it seems to have happened while 'sober'

If by breaking through you mean being placed in a completely different, immersive reality, then yes, a number of substances can do this as well. The aesthetics are often quite different as is the mental state. There can be a particular lucidity with DMT that I have not experienced with other psychedelics. I mean sure, if you look through experience reports, you'll certainly find some extremely far-out experiences with other psychedelics, but this would be cherry picking. DMT has a very strong affinity for invoking these high-shelf experiences at the drop of a hat. As UC mentioned, salvia is in a completely different category. Its effect on the mind and senses is quite foreign to any other psychedelic experience.

It must not be overlooked just how ineffable these experiences are. The trip reports are the crudest of representations of the trips themselves. There's so much that is "lost in translation" and will never make it as words onto a page that to draw some similarities between experiences that you've never had won't be all too accurate.