Lemme get this str8, you're telling me to go ask 100 people their loose definitions, but really I was the one playing a definition game... sure dude, that makes sense.



I have friends that had their most magical exp on DMT in the middle of a crowd at a show. I personally wouldn't dare do such a thing. Everyone is different. My whole point of this thread is that you can't speak in absolutes or generality with this subject. There are many meanings and many ways to DMT and life in general, it's pointless to reach an absolute consensus. It's also pointless to argue that certain words or approaches are not allowed to be associated with DMT. That's just being elitist...

you're not a prick man ! it's all love here . just constructive criticism of each others written opinions. i understand where you're coming from with his higher power being in contrast to your beliefs, but you gotta respect everybody's own thing. in AA you get to pick your higher power and it can be as simple as a door knob. the higher power is not as important as the faith it can instill in you. everybody has different higher powers, faiths, & beliefs, there's no reason to try to convince someone over to yours just let them chill on their own. There's no general consensus for psychedelic users as to what faith, beliefs, or higher power should be, everyone is different. I know many devout christians who are psychedelic practitioners, as well as many atheists. again, community is not about coming together under one belief, it's about putting aside your differences to commune as one. this is why I'm partly against "cyber-community" because it can create a cult of consensus.

I'm no elitist Haeratic or I wouldn't be chucking my 2p worth in this thread!

I'm just saying that IMO what the average (yes statistics! horror) person thinks is of more sway in the real world than what some lexicographer writes.

And If we all had the same opinion it would be a boring or even scary website!

Each to their own. Harm minimisation etc.

Just don't smoke and drive!

Peace.

But then how are you supposed to make a viral video?!?!

^haha. I was going to have sex with my girlfriend while smoking dmt on top of a semi-trailer being driven past a catholic girls' school under police pursuit. I though that'd get a few views.

Is THAT recreational?

na that's just bein a douche

I thought it sounded Fun! Guess I'll try something more recreational.

I think psychedelics is recreational. I mean its not like weed that wears off if you feel bad on indica. Its more serious than that. Its more like stepping into a new epoke in your life. Dont they say life isnt to serious?

My first time was amazing adventure! And then i lost the "respect" for it, started taking it in parties, that wasnt to smart, because there really is alot of shitty peoples. But mushrooms are quite funny and not that harmfull and 10 times better than mdma imo! Anyhow, i hope to have a trip like my first one soon! And the next one will be DMT.

Why didnt i come here before? I think this is really better than talking to friends about it. Writing it down and explaining much more precisely, and so much more response.

Sorry if i went offtopic.

DMT is recreational if you smoke it, all psychedelics are. You're doing it for a reason and even if it's a "spiritual one" you're still taking it recreationaly

I recreate my mind when dropping into the psychedelic paradigm!

..basically, i am not going to put up with people playing games with the terms 'recreational' (without screaming F-off) when we are moving closer to possible legalisation negotiation eras..
i have done a lot of genuine 'shamanic' training..more than 7 years..
clearing energy, and being there for someone, vomit, shit and all, for 6 hours, and the next day if necessary, is NOT recreational..it is WORK..!

so, perhaps for most of you most of the time, it is recreational..but not for me..

so go run down high school corridors smoking dmt! ..that's how some of you are acting IMO..
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At the moment i see DMT and mushrooms as a spiritual conduit and sometimes completely mindblowing, never done ayahusca , but got a few mates that have. I also prefer to do it on my own , for the time being. I see this as recreational as opposed to other drugs (heroin for instance), where you end up having to take them everyday to stay normal, if you end up getting hooked.
I don"t do it in pubs and i don"t do it at parties but for me it re-creates. Maybe this is, as someone else inferred , just a row over the word recreation.
I also have got to the stage in my life where i have turned one of my other forms of recreation into work which, most of the time , earns me a living.

How do you get from recreational to this?

That's not what I'm advocating. You may have dealt with shit and vomit for six hours. That doesn't change how I, Mr. Peabody, partake of DMT. I do it in the privacy of my own home, and 9 out of 10 times alone.

How does that have anything to do with smoking in a high school? How does that have anything to do with smoking it in a pub, on a bus, and all of these other ridiculous tangents?

You are debating how we should talk about it. You're mincing words, trying to protect it's image. This thread is about it being recreational or not. It's about how we should speak about it!!! I am here to tell you, it is possible to do it in a recreational sense, and there is nothing with that. I am not making a bad image for it by doing so.

Feeble attempts to paint an image for DMT will do nothing to increase its likeliness of getting legalized. You should understand, we are a minority here. We are only a small portion who want to be responsible, and take care of this special thing. The majority of the people who do DMT don't give a shit. That's why mimosa is illegal. If it was just us, we'd still have mimosa. But that's really off topic for this thread.

If you want a thread about how as a community we should go about protecting this thing, and how we might tread a path towards legalization, that would be amazing.

I wish you wouldn't make the jump from "recreational" to "flaming moron running around trying to destroy this thing." That is not what I have done, or what I will ever do. I'm not spiritual, or religious, so that drops me into the realm of recreational.

I greatly respect everyone's opinion. I hope I don't appear otherwise.

True. I think one viewpoint is interpreting 'recreational' as meaning not an addictive or obsessive compulsion, something to do when not in work for survival mode. The other is seeing the word 'recreational' and interpreting it as entertainment, something trivial to pass the time.

I doubt anyone involved thinks of the experience as trivial.

semantics really , this again , is no-one reading my threads in the humour section and getting a little relaxed

so this thread has derailed from the original question altogether and now the hot topic is the definition of the word "recreational" , really , we are now gonna go back ages and bring latin out , wow , some us will go really way out to be defensive huh , i guess i am more relaxed and uncaring about these matters

perhaphs we should start a thread on semantics and the subjective definition of words , that way we could rewire language altogether and perhaps create a new language , for now i guess english will suffice

to answer the original question " dmt is not recreational atall " it will recreate you , show you beauty beyond anything imaginable , it can literally help you understand what the mystics have been talking about through the ages and open doors where there were none , it is extremely healing , healthy and blissfull , and it is the one of the strongest substance there is , if you're smolking enough ,

it will blissful and beautiful beyond description yet not fun in the way lsd, shrooms , alcohol , marijuana are ,

thank you , The Traveler , nen888 , Gibran and The Meddling Monk for bringing some sanity into the whole thread

and those who want to argue about the word recreational/fun here ,
dont tell me confusion has taken over clarity ,
its a rarity for such a thing to happen to the majority ,
drink some tea and refresh your mind ,
you will see now , not as if you were blind
dont mind me , i am just writing poetry
for what more can words do than make beautiful songs so true
meanings and language is utter garbage ,
if you're not on the same page
stop defending , start opening
its about time open your hearts and your minds
dont let language turn you blind
you also know the meaning of words ,
then why pick a latin dictionary ,thats f***** up
yup it about time i stop this rhyme

peace ya all , merry christams , santa claus is coming to townnnnnnnn , yeeeaaaaaaaa

Fair analogy by Gibran.

I think DMT can be fun and recreational, but it can also be the antithesis of this.As a compound with 'defined' effects theres always the uncertainty factor that Traveler mentions which makes it impossible to categorise it as either wholly recreational or the opposite.And, IME, the label I attach to any trip is invariably made after the peak of the trip is over with 20:20 hindsight of the preceding hours/minutes.And like most members here the view afforded through this retrospectoscope has been at variance with the 'pre-flight' intention.

I think that two things factor into the answer.

The dose you take and your intention.

some situations are clear. If you prepare for a journey emotionally with the intention of it being a learning shamanistic experience and do a high or moderate dose, then sure, you are clearly using it in a "non recreational" fashion.

If you are hitting small amounts off of an ecig pen thing while standing in a crowd watching a live music show, it makes you giggle, it makes you smile, and it enhances a pleasurable experience. This is clearly recreational.

And of course there are inbetweens where it can be harder to define.

I have certainly used DMT as part of my life journey for insight and exploration. Usually inside, with prepartaion, using a GVG or taken orally with an MAOI.

Currently I don't do that. I actually like DMT more now than at any time before. I use it to boost up an lsd trip or a mescaline trip briefly with my dandy ecig dosing. I also use it in small hits when with friends usually high on pot and listening to music and drinking good wine. Most certainly rectreational.

So you can have your personal set in stone thoughts about it, but for me its either and both; and it depends.

This thread has run it's course, what could be stated has been stated.


Kind regards,

The Traveler