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venom
#1 Posted : 12/11/2012 10:08:10 AM

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Hey stupidly i used amphetemines this weeknd and was hoping i could use ayahuasca next wekeend. Wrong idea or might it be ok? Or hwo long to wait, because i read on several sites that few days are ok, some suggest at least a weak..
Btw, i used pseudeoefedrine a day before high dose rue, + mimoa and had good time )..
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#2 Posted : 12/11/2012 11:14:42 AM

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here i read: http://www.a-keys.nl/aya...rael_files/agreement.pdf
Dietary conditions:
MAOi’s may be dangerous in combination with the following substances so we recommend abstention from
the following substances for three days prior, and three days after a ritual involving Ayahuasca or Ayahuasca
analogues:
- Alcohol in any form
- Blue cheeses or any fermented substances containing moulds (beer)
- Drugs such as Ecstasy, MDMA, 2CB, Cocaine, Heroine, Amphetamines, Methadone, etc.
- Medication such as Anti-Biotics or Anti-Depressants and Anti-Psychotics
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#3 Posted : 12/11/2012 11:59:33 AM

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http://www.drugbank.ca/drugs/DB00182
http://www.drugbank.ca/drugs/APRD00634

Halflife of A is 10h (PE 16h) so IMO wait at least 48h, until your system is cleared and has recovered. Halflife clearances however are affected by the health condition of the individual (liver condition etc.), so this is not a fix value.

Hope somebody with a medical background can confirm what I've written.
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#4 Posted : 12/11/2012 12:34:26 PM

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well i used aroudn 5 grams of probably ( +- 50% amphetamine cut )makes it like +-3 grams
so if i roughly calculate: because i didnt use the 3gr in one setting Smile Smile Smile
day 1 - 10hr: 1.5gr in system
day 1 - 20hr: 0.75gr in system
day 2 - 30hr: 0.325gr
day 2 - 40hr: 0.162gr
day 3 - 50hr: 0.081gr
day 3 - 60hr: 0.0405gr
day 4 - 70hr: 0.020gr
day 4 - 80hr: 0.010gr
day 5 - 90hr: 0.05gr
day 5 - 100hr: .......


and monday morning i used like the veyr last part of it, so the calculation will alter a little: since i dont know how much and what time i used.
And if someone want to know how i could sleep Smile benzos Razz
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#5 Posted : 12/11/2012 12:35:53 PM

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i have pure harmalin crystal, can i test with a small amount the day before, like 25 - 50 mg if it give adverse effects.
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#6 Posted : 12/11/2012 5:29:09 PM

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Just wait a couple of days until your system has cleared and recovered. Next weekend should be fine.
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#7 Posted : 12/11/2012 6:47:06 PM

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In order to be as safe as possible its advisable to wait 5 or so days because:

1.Different isomers of 'amphetamine' have different half-lives, as do their racemic mixes;

2.Street amphetamine could be one of several compounds, in varying concentrations;

3.The cuts may also be hazardous with MAOIs;

4.Only the 'lucky' (?) few will actually know what their amphetamine truly is; these are usually individuals who are using pharmaceutical compounds acquired through various means, or know some serious ruffians.

Its important to note that the activity of enzymes we all possess do vary between individuals in their ability to do their jobs, and this is genetically determined.Hence its only wise and better to err on the side of caution.
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#8 Posted : 12/11/2012 8:04:58 PM

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Thanks Corpus. On the the isomer half-lives, the FDA says:

"The mean elimination half-lives for d-amphetamine and l-amphetamine in adults are 10 hours and 13 hours, respectively."

http://www.accessdata.fd...l/2004/021303s005lbl.pdf

Edit: Oh and on CONTRAINDICATIONS:

"During or within 14 days following the administration of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (hypertensive crises may result)."

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#9 Posted : 12/11/2012 8:28:15 PM

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I would think about clarifying your intentions.
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#10 Posted : 12/12/2012 11:47:41 AM

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i live in a country that is 1 of biggest amphtematine manufacturers, so i pretty sure it amphetamine Pleased

but would it be possible with my harmaline xtrals to work up slow dosage to see everything is ok?
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#11 Posted : 12/12/2012 8:51:47 PM

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if saturday i would use a amphetamine test to see if i test positive for amphetamines / or not? would that be an indicator?+
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I would think about clarifying your intentions

what do you mean?
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#12 Posted : 12/12/2012 9:45:52 PM

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i dont want to soudn offensive here, to each their own and all that, but i guess i have always regarded amphetamine as a disgusting poison that will quite literally steal your soul and destroy you from the inside out. It destroyed my family thats for sure, im almost 24 years old and just getting to know my dad within the past couple years, pretty shitty.

and yea you may be pretty sure that its ampetamine, but its that all it is? you said yourself its probably cut with 50% shit, i dont know how comet bathroom cleaner reacts with maois lol.

And the intentions, i think he means clarifying why you want to do ayahuasca. Is it just to get fucked up? i can think of easier ways.

I know im probably way out of line here, i tried not to respond, kind of a touchy subject for me i guess.
 
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#13 Posted : 12/13/2012 9:32:21 AM

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amph sulate = 73% amph + 27 sulfate = 100%
so i may be cut up for like max 20% but with what, they use dextrose etc to fill this up here, not rat poison.
Btw, yeah i just want to get smashed on a massive ammount of aya, if thats what u wanna hear.
Not at all bro, contrary, maybe weird to understand....
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#14 Posted : 12/13/2012 3:38:21 PM

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venom wrote:
well i used aroudn 5 grams of probably ( +- 50% amphetamine cut )makes it like +-3 grams



BTW did you know, that the LD50 of A is 21 mg per kg in mice? Why is this weekend so important? Can't you wait for the next?

For more information on A look here: http://toxnet.nlm.nih.go...n/sis/search/r?dbs+hsdb:@term+@rn+@rel+300-62-9

This data will help you to make a smart decision.
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#15 Posted : 12/13/2012 3:43:55 PM

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yes man Smile thats what i am trying to ask, would this wekend be safe or should i wait...
and one of my main questions was:
if i would try tiny amound like tomorrow : 30mg harmaline
and saturday: 50 mg of harmaline
would it give suggestions that i could do it this weekend.
Btw, i probably wouldnt be able this weekend, the plumber comes Sad(( and if i will have nasty vomit and diaerrhea hhe wont be so happy Very happy
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#16 Posted : 12/13/2012 3:53:14 PM

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Ufostrahlen wrote:
Thanks Corpus. On the the isomer half-lives, the FDA says:

"The mean elimination half-lives for d-amphetamine and l-amphetamine in adults are 10 hours and 13 hours, respectively."

http://www.accessdata.fd...l/2004/021303s005lbl.pdf

Edit: Oh and on CONTRAINDICATIONS:

"During or within 14 days following the administration of monoamine oxidase inhibitors (hypertensive crises may result)."


thanks all for the research, but caapi is a rima, not a MAOI.
Dont know if it matters much in this case
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#17 Posted : 12/13/2012 3:53:25 PM

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IMO you won't die or get a hypertensive crisis, but that's just my O. Don't rely too much on that. Better read the medical information from the link above. Yes it's work and you will have to do it for yourself. I can't take responsibility for your actions.
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#18 Posted : 12/13/2012 3:58:43 PM

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nno i understand man,
i am allready gratefull for your posts, only saturday was the only day i was home alone...
but then the plumber came.....
I dont like doing this with pple around, been to ceremonies etc but i think its not that much better or more special ( with miguel chiriap tho )./..
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#19 Posted : 12/13/2012 4:06:59 PM

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you know you guys are right Smile
i will wait till next week, i hope i can get my g/f out becauuse she wouldnt be a good sitter anyway, i would be hospitalized for no valid reason if she sees me in that state...
Anyway i keep u guys informed Smile
thanks for the positive information / because in the end its all positive Pleased
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#20 Posted : 12/13/2012 4:13:13 PM

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venom wrote:
if saturday i would use a amphetamine test to see if i test positive for amphetamines / or not? would that be an indicator?+
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I would think about clarifying your intentions

what do you mean?

I guess what I mean is-
Are you looking for another drug experience, or are you looking for something more?
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