Hi all,

Really interested in Changa as Aya/Pharma doesn't work for me. I wanted to use up all my scraps and leftovers from previous extractions and bits and bobs I had lying around.

Nothing was particularly pure so I used:

700mg slightly orange DMT from an old batch
700mg even oranger DMT from an old batch
300mg jungle spice from one of the above batches
150mg harmalas from some rue seed x10 extract I had laying around
500mg peppermint
500mg calea Z
500mg damiana

Now, not really reading up properly, I dissolved everything in warm IPA 99.9%. Not all of it dissolved so I filtered it leave 230mg of undissolvables. Alas, it obvious as it seems now I used way too much IPA. My mix was drowning it.

And as I evaporated in a food dehydrator this green residue got stripped that I presume to be chlorophyll (or I hope). As it dried further parts of the green patches turned orange.

I am worried that my goodies are in with this orange/green remains instead of the herbs.

The orange/green when scrapped weight 800mg! My Changa weighted 2450mg. Both smelt heavily of peppermint.

Was wondering if anyone could tell me if all my spice bits have ended up in the herbs before I try the other method to find out...

Ta

mix it all together, powderize, smoke it all together.
you're fine

Actaully I did try and redissolve the orange stuff and put it back into my herbs, as it were, but it wouldn't dissolve at all in the IPA. Perhaps I'll just have to mix them up. The orange stuff is mostly very fine though with a little bit of it waxy. Perhaps I'll just have to sprinkle some on top.

Would like to know what happened just for curiousities sake...

Harmalas are pretty hard to get to dissolve into IPA.

Ethanol or methanol are preferred solvents when dealing with harmalas.

What you filtered off was most likely the harmalas so it might not be a bad idea to add some 10x caapi or some sort of other harmalas just to help round out the mix a bit.

What most likely happened was there was just too much spice and not enough leaf to absorb everything.

What I'd do with that extra stuff is redissolve it into some fresh (but minimal amount of) IPA and then add some more base herbs to the mix. As stated previously, 10x caapi would be a great candidate. Another good alternative is mullein as it's really spongy and soaks up the goodies quickly and efficiently.

Once you've got everything absorbed and dried out, mix the two batches together and add to some more fresh, minimal IPA so that everything gets covered and allow that to evaporate. This will balance out the mix so it's all about the same strength overall.

Would love to use 10x caapi, but every vendor I have looked at is out of stock. My favourite vendor was meant to get some the end of November but I guess that didn't happen.

I do have some mullein on order however.

I literally had to use what I had around the house, including old extracts for this.

In the new year I plan a good stock up... am very interested in adding some bufojam to my Changa.

Will experiment until I have my favourite blend all worked out

You could make your own 10x caapi pretty easy.

Just order some caapi leaves or vine, use 10g of material for everyone 1g of herb you intend to infuse and boil it up a few times. Collect your boils and reduce. Add 1g of herb for each 10g of caapi used and allow this to evap onto the herb just like you did with the IPA. The water will take a little longer to evaporate but the results are the same.

I'll try to update my changa tek with the boil method here soon.

Cheers Melcat, but what I meant is all the vendors are still out of caapi leaves (they do have the vine though, but I like the idea of having the actaul ayahuasca material in my changa and not just the essence put into another herb). I fully intend to make a good amount of 10x caapi leaves when it is available again Thanks for the info though. I read a few processes and think the water boil method seems teh nicest and quickest. Especially with a food dehydrator.... I love my food dehydrator

Ahh, I gotcha.

Maybe consider getting an ayahuasca cutting?

They grow pretty quick once you find a spot they like and you'll always have an abundance of leaves.

I just created a thread for visionary botanicals in the suppliers section which is where I got my caapi cutting from.

It doesn't provide the instant gratification for right now, but it will allow you to be self sufficient in the future.

Cheers

That's a fine idea, but I fear my local climate will not be to the liking of Caapi at all. Not sure how hardy they are away from tropical climates?

I'll just have to be patient...

Is the harmala concentration the same in the vine as in the leaves of Caapi?

I believe that caapi would do okay inside under T5 florescent lamps but I haven't tried it personally.

It's a pretty hardy species, so I'd suggest to give it a shot. She might just surprise ya.

As far as alkaloid content goes, it's really impossible to say because there are so many variables depending on species of caapi and the environmental factors it had to endure.

I'm not sure how much analytic work has been done concerning the vine/leaf ratio.

I know that in some species of vine, such as the Alicia, there is dmt in the leaves as well as harmalas. So it's really a crap shoot on what you're going to end up with.

The best way to get a fuzzy idea is to extract a small amount and see what you end up with. From there you should be able to determine the general potency/alkaloid ratio.