I have been reading the Is dMt recreational thread and noticed the debating became a little heated.

I do it for recreation myself, however i"m not the fizziest bottle of pop in the fridge and try not to take life too seriously and i may get my butt hyperslapped one day. I guess the reasons for each person are purely subjective.

So can anyone tell me why they take it? Not whether you do it for fun or not but for any particular, or vague, reason.

Thankyou ( and i"m sure someones asked this question before!)

To commune with the Spirit. And heal.
Like, Seriously!

For me it started as recreational but it only took the first breakthrough to realize something much, MUCH, bigger is going on here.
7 years later I still cant see any end in sight.

yes i see your point that is why i ask, but cannot communing with the spirit be fun? And olympus mon i totally agree- something bigger (i noticed this before my deeper experiences and they have been substantiated since), isn"t it all interesting? And , dare i say , FUN!

I agree with both replies so far. I do feel something much bigger is going on. It's like tapping into this very vast, intelligent, spiritual realm...

It can be fun as well, but sometimes it can be scary.

Of course it can be FUN.

FUN is one word.
Recreational is another. They don't mean exactly the same thing! lol

I think part of the idea is that if you're in the experience with a spiritual intent for example (instead of a recreational one), and a negative experience came your way, because of the spiritual context, you may be more likely to be able to integrate the situation. If your intent is for recreation, then the unpleasant aspects of the experience run inherently counter to the intent, and can cause a lot of psychological friction.

I take it because I find the entire experience to be fascinating and I'm constantly learning from it. I do very often find myself having fun, but when I'm going to hit the pipe, my thought isn't "I hope this is a blast" so much as "I hope something novel, educational and significant happens". Sometimes it erres on spiritual growth, other times on healing, and other times it may be a simple desire to just experience some of its deeper mysteries like exploration of ancient cultures and what not.

Exactly. after my first 50 or so journeys what im after is the visionary after glow not the insane visuals.

I can truely say that everything you said here I feel the same.

yes i like the afterglow too. The visuals??? I guess i see them as an interaction with something or possibly just my subconscious visualizing deep routed thoughts. I really don"t know for sure. It makes me think about things other than earning a crust and it makes me happy that the things i think about could be possible.

For me it has always been a combination of reasons, but never exclusively recreational. Yet I never minded getting "high" if that was part of the process so to speak.

As The Traveler stressed in the original thread, I view recreational drugs as extremely reliable as to effects, such as cannabis.

I delight in DMT's lack of reliability - don't get me wrong here, it works well every time, but I delight in the sheer and raw novelty of the experience each time. I am one of those who does NOT go to the same place each time - it is radically different. It is radically novel and different from my everyday life and I continue to say what a priveledge this is. In a way, because of the novelty factor that I experience, as well as memories of a few rather rough rides, I would say DMT is the antithesis of a recreational drug.

One of the reasons I first took DMT is that I was seeking answers to what I had identified as a midlife crisis. That combined with some of the "answers" I got, surprisingly, led me to say that I was using it for spiritual reasons, and as the call came, so to speak.

These days I use it very little and in a way I would say I use it for combined purposes, including balance and novelty. That and memory. I don't want to get too far away from my memories of what this amazing molecule can do.

I think that thread became a debate over the definitions of the words 'recreational" and "fun", which strays far from what it originally intended to discuss.

The only way I could see anyone doing DMT recreationally is doing it the same way I do: Sub-breakthrough doses. At lower doses, it's way less intense and there's a lot more room (at least for myself) and control for processing emotions and thoughts. Sometimes on breakthroughs, everything just gets too intense and one stray thought can lead me down into the abyss. Lower doses are much easier to navigate. Of course, I'm more of an emotional, troubled person in general, so I can imagine someone who is more sure of themselves and generally a more positive person than I am breaking through on a regular basis for recreational reasons.

My only worry with having a casual enough attitude for recreational use is people displaying that on the forum, and other people with less experience thinking it can't shatter their entire perspective on life. My last breakthrough took me 2 months to recover from. I don't want to see people quit using DMT, because I think it has a lot to offer us as a species. But I don't want anyone taking the same attitude I did, and going through that kind of traumatizing experience.

Thinking about an easy, straightforward answer makes it more confusing (for me).
So 'why????': I must say, at least, because 'I like it'. I am overall (very) positive about it. Taken into account the (possible) negative experiences like f.e. nervousness and feeling reserved before lifting off, overwhelming (dark) visuals, disrupted identity etc... Still I love it because it makes me better in relativizing everyday life (resulting from the feeling there is so much more & humanity must therefore behave more humble), and on the same hand showing the uniqueness, complexity and how gifted an individual can be (resulting from the feeling of being a part of the Creation when 'carried back' from the total nothingness). This two combined ( so humble(ness)? (can't find the right word!) by putting into perspective & proudness of being) make it for me such a pleasant experience, that can sometimes be floathing around in my brain for weeks, even months. Even reminding myself can make a lousy day more meaningful .

So 'fun'? Yeah in a way, but fun is possible in very different ways, which I nuanced and made a bit clear above (IME). Reality is (always) more subtle than a one-word-description?

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=38197

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=31690

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=26952


i guess i do it for many reasons, but mostly because its extremely healing and reconnects me with my soul and the great unspeakable something

The reason for taking DMT for me with just one word is curiosity.I'm not taking it for fun or healing.I'm taking it even if I like or I don't like because I have to.Curiosity is like an instinct for me maybe.I've also started to take cannabis and other substances for the same reason and I am thinking,reading and I've larnt and I'm still learning science for the same reason.So I guess I'm taking it for simply learning.Someones say that DMT doesn't give you answers,just give you more questions.But if there's no more questions;there's no more answers.If you want to learn more,you have to see more,different and wide,plus you have to have questions for having answers.You also cannot realize if you also have the answers without you have the questions related to these answers.It's like checksum sometimes.So curiosity coming first for me and then questions and then answers.And it's simple as it seems I guess

By the way I think everyone is free to take or don't take any substance for their own reasons,I respect all what matter.

I strongly agree that there is a distinction between fun and casual. And it is a big one. Casual presents an attitude whereas fun is an experience. Casual and DMT can be a dangerous combination, for those who are not prepared mentally (which is counter-casual) can end up with mental trauma aka not FUN. I am a relatively experienced psychonaut but quite the D noob, but I'm experienced enough to know it is anything but a casual experience, yet the most fun i've ever had, even in the midst of it as I'm praying for a small sign that I'm still alive

But to answer the OP, Why?? Because it truly blows my mind, nothing says things aren't what they seem like DMT and it forces me question the "reality" that is being sold to the human race every minute of every day... I guess D, and other substances keep me from falling asleep to life.

In short...

I do it to explore the space I transend to and to encounter those I encounter for the experience of experiencing it.