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#301 Posted : 11/27/2012 3:40:06 PM

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5-htp wrote:
You mean water extraction prior to basing ?

Would mean that you get rid of most of the plant fats, which makes pulling easier and gives you a cleaner product. You don't have to mess around with mimosa particles too.


thx alot for your answer, its great to learn more stuff here,
what are the effects this step on the yield?
 

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#302 Posted : 11/27/2012 4:04:13 PM

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It for sure is fun to learn about this here and testing your first product is AWESOME Smile

Depending on how many pulls you do on the plant material (3 may be enough, 5 is optimal) you get similar yields. It's more time you have to spend in the beginning with pulling/filtering/evtl. reducing lots of liquid but you will get to a cleaner product which doesn't need as much cleanup. There are some teks here for that too Smile
 
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#303 Posted : 11/27/2012 4:41:58 PM

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so, should i do water extraction prior to basing?
im not trying to find ways to make the xtract faster just couldnt get the answer why should i do it.,
 
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#304 Posted : 11/27/2012 4:56:48 PM

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Sure, if you have the time for it, go for it. I would say it's less likely to screw up with an A/B. I recommend using a tek from the wiki for this. Also, when you have found a decent tek, you can scroll down to the sources and open the original thread were you sometimes find hints on what can go wrong or what to avoid Smile

Edit: If you choose to proceed Smile it's important to not throw anything away until you have your final yield. So even when something goes wrong, you can most of the time recover the goodies.
 
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#305 Posted : 11/27/2012 6:09:35 PM

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5-htp wrote:
Sure, if you have the time for it, go for it. I would say it's less likely to screw up with an A/B. I recommend using a tek from the wiki for this. Also, when you have found a decent tek, you can scroll down to the sources and open the original thread were you sometimes find hints on what can go wrong or what to avoid Smile

Edit: If you choose to proceed Smile it's important to not throw anything away until you have your final yield. So even when something goes wrong, you can most of the time recover the goodies.


im not going to do a/b... i was just interested in cybs hyper ATB salt tek... the only thing different from stb is the Acidifying step....
 
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#306 Posted : 11/27/2012 6:12:48 PM

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If you skip the acid soak...its just basically an STB with a Salt kicker...either way is good Wink
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#307 Posted : 11/27/2012 7:18:48 PM

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cyb wrote:
If you skip the acid soak...its just an STB...either way is good Wink


oh man its great u saw my question, i was trying to pm but could not cuz im a new member ^_^
just cant understand what is the benefit of doing acidic bath.,, why to do it if i can just to stb... what exsactly its for?
 
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#308 Posted : 11/27/2012 7:24:29 PM

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avFlying wrote:
cyb wrote:
If you skip the acid soak...its just an STB...either way is good Wink


oh man its great u saw my question, i was trying to pm but could not cuz im a new member ^_^
just cant understand what is the benefit of doing acidic bath.,, why to do it if i can just to stb... what exsactly its for?


I was on a 6 week long experimentation exercise using salt and this was one of the experiments I tried to increase yield...
The thinking being that an acid soak would leach out some molecule into salt form 1st before adding base and continuing on with the Saline STB.
The increase was minimal but noteworthy so I devised the Tek and wrote it up for newcomers.
Hope it helps..Thumbs up
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#309 Posted : 11/27/2012 7:59:01 PM

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Hello Smile

I'm practically new here, even though I've been lurking a bit already.
The thing is that I've never tried DMT before, but I've wanted to try it ever since I heard about it 1 year ago. So I've planned to acquire some freebase DMT in April 2013. Until then I'll just have to research a lot and keep reading endless amounts of amazing trip reports Smile

I've got a few questions regarding DMT though.

1. What actually happens when you smoke a high dose?
By this I mean, do you like pass out and your brain then somehow produces the visuals and sensations of being in a completely different "world"? Or is it more like you just consciously closing your eyes, and then "imagining" another "world"?
So to sum it up, do you enter a seemingly new physical world? Or are you aware that you're still in our normal reality?

2. Can you tell if you're experiencing a breakthrough the first time, if that's your first encounter with DMT?
I am honestly attempting to smoke a big dose of DMT when I acquire it next year, I had 50mg-60mg in mind. This should, from what I've read, be more than enough for a breakthrough. But would I be able to tell if I did actually manage to get a breakthrough, seeing as I wouldn't know what it's like not to breakthrough on DMT either? Anything that characterizes the differences?

3. Does the color of the freebase DMT influence the potency or purity in some significant way?
I've read various things about the color of the DMT itself etc. Some of the things being that yellowish/orange DMT is more potent than white. And that white DMT is the purest form of it.
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#310 Posted : 11/27/2012 8:20:03 PM

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please check the FAQ!


Need to calculate between salts and freebases? Click here!
Need to calculate freebase or salt percentage at a given pH? Click here!

 
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#311 Posted : 11/27/2012 8:26:58 PM

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Infundibulum wrote:
please check the FAQ!



I read it already, and weren't able to find anything related to these questions.
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#312 Posted : 11/28/2012 7:13:00 AM

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cyb wrote:
avFlying wrote:
cyb wrote:
If you skip the acid soak...its just an STB...either way is good Wink


oh man its great u saw my question, i was trying to pm but could not cuz im a new member ^_^
just cant understand what is the benefit of doing acidic bath.,, why to do it if i can just to stb... what exsactly its for?


I was on a 6 week long experimentation exercise using salt and this was one of the experiments I tried to increase yield...
The thinking being that an acid soak would leach out some molecule into salt form 1st before adding base and continuing on with the Saline STB.
The increase was minimal but noteworthy so I devised the Tek and wrote it up for newcomers.
Hope it helps..Thumbs up


wow, finally ive got the answer for my question...
thx alot cyb,,, going to xtrract tonight,,, ill update!
 
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#313 Posted : 11/28/2012 10:58:14 AM

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Erase wrote:
Hello Smile
1. What actually happens when you smoke a high dose?
By this I mean, do you like pass out and your brain then somehow produces the visuals and sensations of being in a completely different "world"? Or is it more like you just consciously closing your eyes, and then "imagining" another "world"?
So to sum it up, do you enter a seemingly new physical world? Or are you aware that you're still in our normal reality?

2. Can you tell if you're experiencing a breakthrough the first time, if that's your first encounter with DMT?
I am honestly attempting to smoke a big dose of DMT when I acquire it next year, I had 50mg-60mg in mind. This should, from what I've read, be more than enough for a breakthrough. But would I be able to tell if I did actually manage to get a breakthrough, seeing as I wouldn't know what it's like not to breakthrough on DMT either? Anything that characterizes the differences?

3. Does the color of the freebase DMT influence the potency or purity in some significant way?
I've read various things about the color of the DMT itself etc. Some of the things being that yellowish/orange DMT is more potent than white. And that white DMT is the purest form of it.

1. it is not entirely clear what happens brain-function wise, however it does absolutely not feel like you are imagining anything. With high enough doses you can temporarily forget that you smoked dmt, that you are a human, that you exist as an individual entity. It might very well appear to you that you have entered a different reality. Whether this really is the case or not is up to debate.

2. A breakthrough is when you lose contact with this reality, closed or open eyes. As long as you still feel seated and see the room/space around you (even if it's changed a bit or there are patterns all over) you have not broken through. Once you break through you will know.

3. I have found no direct correlation between color and potency of dmt. If you've done the extraction the right way and you've washed your end-product and re-crystalized etc. you should have sufficient purity so that the needed doses will correspond to what other people report using.

I do recommend starting out much lower than 50 or 60mg for the first run. DMT has very little tolerance when smoked so you can do a test-run in the same sitting as the desired big dose. Generally if you use a good smoking technique and device (e.g. GVG) 30-35mg should be enough for a breakthrough.

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#314 Posted : 11/28/2012 3:06:19 PM

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Enoon wrote:
Erase wrote:
Hello Smile
1. What actually happens when you smoke a high dose?
By this I mean, do you like pass out and your brain then somehow produces the visuals and sensations of being in a completely different "world"? Or is it more like you just consciously closing your eyes, and then "imagining" another "world"?
So to sum it up, do you enter a seemingly new physical world? Or are you aware that you're still in our normal reality?

2. Can you tell if you're experiencing a breakthrough the first time, if that's your first encounter with DMT?
I am honestly attempting to smoke a big dose of DMT when I acquire it next year, I had 50mg-60mg in mind. This should, from what I've read, be more than enough for a breakthrough. But would I be able to tell if I did actually manage to get a breakthrough, seeing as I wouldn't know what it's like not to breakthrough on DMT either? Anything that characterizes the differences?

3. Does the color of the freebase DMT influence the potency or purity in some significant way?
I've read various things about the color of the DMT itself etc. Some of the things being that yellowish/orange DMT is more potent than white. And that white DMT is the purest form of it.

1. it is not entirely clear what happens brain-function wise, however it does absolutely not feel like you are imagining anything. With high enough doses you can temporarily forget that you smoked dmt, that you are a human, that you exist as an individual entity. It might very well appear to you that you have entered a different reality. Whether this really is the case or not is up to debate.

2. A breakthrough is when you lose contact with this reality, closed or open eyes. As long as you still feel seated and see the room/space around you (even if it's changed a bit or there are patterns all over) you have not broken through. Once you break through you will know.

3. I have found no direct correlation between color and potency of dmt. If you've done the extraction the right way and you've washed your end-product and re-crystalized etc. you should have sufficient purity so that the needed doses will correspond to what other people report using.

I do recommend starting out much lower than 50 or 60mg for the first run. DMT has very little tolerance when smoked so you can do a test-run in the same sitting as the desired big dose. Generally if you use a good smoking technique and device (e.g. GVG) 30-35mg should be enough for a breakthrough.


Thanks a lot, I enjoy such detailed answers.

The dosage is really something I'll have to consider. I might only have 200mg DMT, in which case there won't be enough for a test run, because I'm not the only person that wants to try it out Smile But if I have like 400mg instead, I'll obviously test out a smaller dose beforehand.
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#315 Posted : 12/4/2012 4:10:48 PM
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#316 Posted : 12/5/2012 11:05:32 PM
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After freeze percip I seem to be having a little trouble getting everything separated and dryed so I would like to here how some of you do it ?
 
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#317 Posted : 12/7/2012 3:42:20 AM
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Good question.....most say they use fans. But in my case...a food dehydrator is doing the job. Jungle spice in my case though.
 
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#318 Posted : 12/9/2012 1:45:58 AM
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I just found the best way, for me atleast. I use pyrex dishes. After the big freeze I filter out all my floaters and dry that infront a fan with the air blowing into the coffee fliter. Then I take a larger pyrex dish and flip the crystal incrusted one upside down inside it and prop up one side. I set this back in the fridge over night to allow all nap to drip down into the bottom dish.

SO easy to scrap and almost no drying. Smile
 
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#319 Posted : 12/10/2012 2:11:02 AM

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Hey guys, new here, i've got a quick question regarding plants.

Is there a difference of experience with different plants? In other words, no matter what plant someone was too extract DMT from ,will it always be the same 'official' DMT experience as that of MHRB?
 
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#320 Posted : 12/11/2012 9:06:21 AM
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All of the teks I see are for MHRB. Will the same teks work for Acacia?
 
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