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march
#1 Posted : 12/4/2012 8:27:12 AM

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This is my second thread and third message here.I've opened a thread yesterday after my first DMT experience yesterday and I asked about some visuals like snakes.Now I think maybe it's not important as much as I thought before.There's something else important vitally I think.

I've read some discussions here and somewhere elses about DMT and other psychedelics.Someones say ''You cannot find the answers with DMT, you just can find lots of new questions''...and some people say ''You just can see how you are unimportant and how everything is just an emptiness with DMT''.There are also some people see DMT as a spiritual tool,a door opener to some other dimensions or universes to contact with some entities.

I'm not a spiritual or religious person actually but my solid materialist manner just melting day by day since I started to use psychedelics.I'm still not a spiritual or religious person but I hold open my windows to many of the possibilities now.

A DMT trip is so weird,strange and unique like all of you know.It's like boxes in boxes in boxes in boxes...like matruşka.I vaporized 40 mgs of DMT properly in a cut bottle and smoked all of it at the same time.Before I released my breath I was gone.I was looking to the wall while sitting on my bed.There was a painting in the middle of the wall but it wasn't just a painting in less than a second,anything is same actually in less than a second...including the second,including the time itself.


Then I just lied to my bed and visions started very hard and overwhelmingly.I saw many things from the fetus to the snakes and all of them are so real and unique.These visuals were something like a loop,they were changing continuously but from the one edge to the other edge,from the one pole to the other pole...on and on.Some visions have engraved in my memories in a trice and some of them realized,remembered after many hours later.But I think these visuals are not the most important thing for me,they are not the things I'm looking for.I've dredged up and investigated these visions in all of my trips(especially with 2c-p and 2c-e).But I realized that I didn't come for these visions,I finally understand that after the DMT.Searching something through these visions really interesting,sometimes funny and sometimes scary but that's not simply what I'm looking for.Because there's no way out from this loop with these visions and because of this visions are also a loop by themselves.I didn't come here to see pictures and watch multidimensional loop movies,I came here for the answer and I came here for remember,yes I came here for the remember the answer.

The most important section of my DMT trip was definitely the start of the trip while I was looking to the painting on the wall.There was a sensitive,critical point in there and I came for this point for all the way,for all my life.Maybe it was a feeling or maybe it was a smell or a moment or something unidentifiable,something nameless...something just to remember.I've felt this before maybe a few times,maybe many times but I'm definitely looking for this.This is the only way out from the loop.I think it's something like deja-vu or deja-vu is very related with the exit or with the entry or with the answer.There are some very important dreams in my life maybe 5 or 6 dreams in 32 years maybe much more than that but I just can remember very few.These dreams are not special or spiritual seemingly,the special thing is the unique feeling in these dreams.I've felt it also out of these dreams,also in some 2c-p,2c-e and ketamine trips somehow and in my regular consciousness too.When you're talking with someone face to face sometimes you feel it and if you look to the eyes of the person you're talking with on this moment you can clearly see this person also aware of something on this moment.It's definitely related with deja-vu I think.I suspect there may be a big conspiracy in a very little moment on this moment.I think there may not be a person my opposite in these very little moments,maybe there is a person in there that I'm talking with just I think there is.

I know that seems very idealist philosophical and accepting this may be very radical and dramatic change for me but I'm not sure about this.However I'm sure that I came here for the remember and that is the only way out. Rolling eyes


 

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Global
#2 Posted : 12/4/2012 2:15:28 PM

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march wrote:
But I realized that I didn't come for these visions,I finally understand that after the DMT.Searching something through these visions really interesting,sometimes funny and sometimes scary but that's not simply what I'm looking for.Because there's no way out from this loop with these visions and because of this visions are also a loop by themselves.I didn't come here to see pictures and watch multidimensional loop movies,I came here for the answer and I came here for remember,yes I came here for the remember the answer.


Not all the visions are loops or have looping qualities. I wouldn't be so quick to discard the visions, even when it seems like only very trivial things happened. Take your snakes for example. Let's say some snakes show up, they don't really do much, and it's looping. It can be easy to dismiss the whole thing as a multidimensional snake loop, but if one were to see the snakes as a symbol of death-rebirth for example as is how they have been timelessly depicted in mythology, then perhaps that might bring with it a deeper personal meaning. Maybe a big event is about to (or has already) happened in your life that will signal a drastic change (a fall from materialism for example). When you combine the ideas of death-rebirth and loops, you have loops of death-rebirth (sound familiar)? The point is that often times these visions beg to be read into and re-examined thoroughly via memory in integration post-experience. If you're looking for answers, your cryptic visions are a good place to start.
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march
#3 Posted : 12/4/2012 8:15:35 PM

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Thank you Global,I think you really know what you're talking about.
You said these snake visions have a meaning historically or symbolic and I can understand that.But I just can't understand the connection between this historical symbols and me.I mean some people have thought snakes may be a good symbol or example for death-rebirth or regeneration because they change their skin seasonally.This similitude seems logical for people seeing snakes around often but I don't see snakes around often maybe I've seen snakes just 4-5 times in all of my life and I've never seen them when they are changing their skin.So I just can't understand why I see them so much in my trips...

By the way I think I cannot explain my thoughts well enough because of the language difference and this is complicating more the situation that already hard to explain even if English is my main language Smile I know all visions don't seem like a loop or cycle but I think they are somehow.This loop may be turning black to white,hot to cold,positive to negative,ugly to beauty,up to down or some another way.It's like a rhythm maybe being and nonbeing simultaneously eventually.But this is not a new thing,we can see this whereever or whatever we look at,this is the natural condition of existence and we already know this.

But there is something different,there is something I don't know in my usual state,it's like a bug maybe or gateway.Yes it's something different and I don't know it now and usually but when it is happening I just can feel that I actually know this completely for a very very little moment.The first realized and the most important thing for me is this with DMT.It's like a very extended deja-vu.It was like living the nostalgia,it was like coming back to home.And there's no more loop in this moment,it's like beeing totally free.

By the way the ''free'' word is inadequate to describe this situation.We use the ''özgür'' word for free.It means free but not exactly.Özgür word be composed of 2 words öz and gür.Öz means essence,core or own and gür means bushy,strong or rich.So it means prosperity of your essence of your own.And I think using this word for describing the ''freedom'' or ''liberty'' or ''independence'' is so interesting and so realistic especially for this situation.
 
 
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