Now that is a statement I have found to be true for myself on many occasions.

Thought you might like to see our little tribute to your work: https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Vovin%27s_tek

Yeah I seen that I actually found this site by typing in vovin and tek just to see what would pop up and the first link was to:http://www.dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/Vovin's%20Unabridged%20Extraction%20guide.pdf

vovin wrote:

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Having released the burden of life.
I stepped within.
Time knows not this place.
The worry of tomorrow lifted from my shoulders.
The burden of yesterday washed from my mind.
The sweet release.

A voice cried unto me and said.

From the abyss all things come and unto the abyss all things must return.
Fear not the eternal slumber my child for there is no greater peace.

I cried forth into the darkness, who art thou that toments me without end?

I am he who is, the keeper to the gate of worlds long since forgotten by the race of man.
I am the speech in the silence the vibration in the void of naught.
I am that which is nameless for what mere words can give me definition.
For I am the foundation of all things.
I am the universal 1.
Duality only unto myself, I am both the form and the force.
The echo of eternity is all the beckins you now my child.
Time is of no substance to that which is not of matter.
Know me for my truth for fear of truth is madness.

Why do you turn your eyes from me?
The void within you beckons you to go deeper.
I offer fulfillment.
Completion of fate.

In a place which is naught, a soul distraught. sings a chourous of 93 angels.
Their melody soothing as a summer stream.
Thru me their lyrics flow.
Deeper and deeper I fall into this esoteric dream.
Their voices wash away my burdened woes.
Fade from my mind the life of past.
The vibrancy of joy everlast.

Hail unto the lord prince and master of the eternal night.
The never ending abyss from which no man can escape.
The realm of the dreamless sleep that fulfills the desires of heart and soul.
The completeness of nothing. Never needing, never wanting, a sleep without pain nor torment.
The sweet release, therein you will forget the burden of regret.
Know these words to be truth and taste of our immortality therein.

Vovin , no one will ever completely understand what you have experinced , thank you for sharing this . Attempting to interpret what you have written would only diminish the depth and understanding of your past revelations , this I will not do .


We have traveled together , yet without knowledge , I have seen , not aware of another .

There is more , it melts , in this world .

Memories forgotten , yet longing persists , if I could but hold , a moment longer .

Might see what we already knew .

Behold we are here , the vision is gone , though all pervasive , we will come back, yet veture some more .



Vovin , I look forward to deeper insights and the opportunity to share and complement what which has been set before us . Namaste

Vovin, please keep us updated on your racetam explorations. I'm currently trying Piracetam and Aniracetam with good results.

I will. I want to have tried it for a decent amount of time before I give a full report. I also obtained some modafinil so I am working with that too.

ive had good results with aniracetam...its also not disgusting tasting like piracetam..

wow....just wanted to pay my respects to a pioneer. many thanks vovin for all of your ground-breaking....i am beyond excited that you are back on the boards and am deeply interested in this new direction of "smart drugs". do please keep us all updated on your findings!

love and gratitude!

Hey, just a heads up to you folks supplementing with piracetam, eating the bulk powder straight will cause your gums to recede so you might want to buy some gelcaps to use for it. Aside from that and the rebound effect, it's some pretty nifty stuff though.

Does aniracetam need to be taken every day for a period of time, or will a single dose give the effects?

This thread made me try piracetam. I'ver noticed an increase in self-esteem ...that wasn't even my aim.

From what I have been told from biochemists I have spoken to there should be no 'loading stage' for any racetam as they have a half life of about 5-6 hours. But I have also seen people state that taking a racetam for long periods improves the effect. At this point I have found this to be untrue of piracetam as it depletes the choline in your system and you need to take a few days off to re supply. When i first took piracetam I was literally blown away with it I felt like a superhero. After 2 days it had no effect. I am taking it with a choline supplement at this time but still I havent experienced the amazing effects I had from the first couple days. Keep in mind I am still in the early stages of my research and I cant give any conclusive answers until I have worked with this chemical for a prolonged period. I currently now suspect one of 2 things I need to switch to another choline suppliment or I need to up the dosage of choline I am taking. Curently I have increased the dosage. I have been told that if you take too much choline that there is a downward slope and it will make you fuzzy instead of assist as a smart drug so I didnt want to take a whole lot of it.

In short when I took piracetam I had amazing mood and energy growth withing a hour and a half of ingesting it. I have not worked with oxiracetam or aniracetam as of yet. All in due time but I suspect the results should be very similar.

obliguhl check out this forum it's specific to smart drugs and you will learn allot from it:

http://www.imminst.org/f...?s=&act=SF&f=169

Is there any evidence that these "smart drugs" work? I can't seem to find any.

Look up modafinil. It's the golden sheep of the smart drug market. It's a perscription drug which people usually obtain from overseas (india).

Here's the dilema. Smart drugs work for those who arent running their minds at 100%. If your at 80% of your best smart drugs will 'usually' make you run at 90-100% depending on your biochemistry. Here's the catch if your running at 100% then it will not make you run at 110%. Smart drugs only allow you to run at your peak efficency at best. If your running at 100% they can actually hinder you. Furthermore smart drugs dont technically make you smart. What they do is assist in certain aspects of concentration. Stimulants allow you to concentrate because you have more energy, mood enhancement effects make you feel cheery and thus you dont feel like reading is a 'grind'. Now certain smart drugs have been shown to change the blood flow in the brain so they do effect how the blood circulates in your brain for the better and some actually assist in the commmunication between the hemispheres in your brain but we are in the stone ages of smart drug research. We can say for 100% sure how they work. This is further complicated by the fact that they effect people very diffrently.

There are plenty of articles online talking about smart drugs just google nootropics, modafinil, or smart drugs and you will have plenty of reading. 2 of the most effective smart drugs in existance is caffine and nicotine. The downside to both of these is they create tolerances to the chemical in your system in a very short period of time and since most people take of these daily they are no where near as effective as they could be if you only took them when you really needed them. Like one time a week or so.

Still I have only been researching smart drugs for about 3 weeks and I have much to learn myself. I know at least for me modafinil and piracetam works well but there are some issues with both. I have much refining to do. I do not really want to make a full article on these drugs until I have had enough expereince to efinatively show what they do and why. Take today for instance I been wanting to write a book on my spice experiences for 5 years. I am now as we speak on modafinil and piracetam. I have spent the last 4 hours typing. I cant remember the last time I spent that much time focused on one thing especially something so difficult as writing a book. But I am focused and my mind is clear and I feel I can do it justice. I pop in here every couple hours to take a break and let my thought gather for the next few pages but other than that I have been balls to the walls on it.

right on! and....write on!

so...obvious question here- how can a FOAF get his 80% brain-working mitts on something of this nature? SWIM is beyond interested....as for caffeine- SWIM uses it once in a blue moon (he is a professional athlete) but finds that it severely depletes his adrenal glands and, because he is mildly hypoglycemic, causes a pretty major insulin reaction. will the racetams have this same effects? are they "speedy"?

great to have you wisdom back vovin!

love and gratitude!

piracetam is legal in the USA. You can get it off amazon. You can usually buy the choline tabs at a suppliment store. Get either DMAE or Alpha-GPC choline these are the only 2 that are truly effective. If your not in the US you'll have to check and see if it's legal to obtain piracetam in your country. There are several sites that will sell it even if it's not but it's gonna cost you allot more. A tip to the wise piracetam tastes like carnation instant death. I spent 30 bucks and got a capsule filling machine and 1000 gelatin caps which I use for this purpose. Best 30 bucks I ever spent.

That's what happened to me. The "superhero" effect went away after a couple of days...I was so confident, almost everything changed. Alpha-GPC is pretty expensive and there is talk going on at the forum you mentioned, which choline supplement is actually effective. Some say, that Lechticin is more effective than choline bitarate (?) but not als effective as Alpha-GPC...but the cheapest form of Choline. I might try that one.

BTW, Modafinil was the first drug ever that was unbanned and made a prescription only drug around here...wonder why.

There is heavy pressure from the acedemic industry to make modafinil available to everyone. Many college professors have signed on and made statments condoning the use of this drug. Approx 40% of research scientist when polled admit to have taken it at some time. The govt even knows of it's beneficial effect. They ordered 400,000 pills to be used in the iraq war. But since the war was so short they were never issued. There has been extensive research on modafinil and it has been found to have no serious side effects unless extreme overdoeses are taken and then the side effects are minor. Some people do however have a allergic reaction to the drug but this is very rare.

Piracetam is known to be safe at 20X the reccomended dosage. I have had better results from piracetam than modafinil oddly enough but I have been unable to regain the effects I experienced the first couple of days. However I have not taken it a great deal and I am still working on tweaking the choline. Currently I am taking DMAE as a choline suppliment but I plan on taking Alpha GPC later it's supposed to by far be the best but it is also considerably more expensive. Lechlin tablets are claimed to be poor source of choline as the molecule has trouble passing thru the blood brain barrier. Piracetam is a super drug as far as I see it's exceptionally cheap, a supply of it will cost about 25 dollars, legal in the USA and that supply can last 6-9 months. It also results in a severe mood elevation when it works well. You feel like you just won the lottery it causes you to be downright giddy.

There are other racetams (aniracetam and oxiracetam) which are considered better than piracetam. I do plan on studying these as well in due time.

Currently the issue is that there is a fair bit of contradicting opinions on smart drugs. Thus the reason I am putting in a considerable effort over the next few months to write a detailed report on it. One difficult dynamic is each smart drug can have very diffrent results in diffrent people. This makes creating a universal report impossible. But I will have to do the best I can in this regard. One thing the industry is missing is someone who has tested all the drugs. Most people have only had the chance to try one or at best 2 compounds. So comparison to effectiveness of each in relation to the others isnt in existance.

The focal aspects of smart drugs is real. I spent the better part of today writing my book I was able to create 15 pages of it which is far more than I have ever done in the past. I would have done more if I hadnt been distracted at seleral times. Still it's 5AM and I am still running wide open. Today was the first day I took both piracetam and modafinil with a large dose of DMAE. I was very pleased with the effects of this test. I hope to duplicate it in the near future. There is some debate as to wether modafinil and piracetam has a tolerance effect so I will only take them every other day. But the myth that smart drugs will increase your IQ as far as I can tell is not true. They do elevate your mood and enhance you concentration as well as give energy. They do not at least for me make me 'smarter'.

Thanks for the info vovin!
May I ask for your dosage of piracetam? I'm currently taking 1200mg in the morning +2x 800mg as a booster throughout the day, totalling 2.8g. What I noticed is an increase in spatial vision. I was more aware of the 3D ness of my sorroundings and was more aware of walking inside a 3D world...

It's too bad it doesn't give me more energy to stay concentrated longer than usual. That's what I was hoping for. But I feel that there is more understanding of abstract matters. Sometimes I would need to repeat certain sentences over and over in my head till they make sense. Now it happens that I get it the first time...or do I just think that I get it because of my new self-consciousness ?

I am working on the dosages on both piracetam and the choline. Currently I take 1800 Mg in the morning and 1200 mg in about 4 hours. As far as the choline I was taking about 600 mg a day but I think I was heavily underdosing as I lately read the reccomended dosage is 1-2 grams a day. I upped my dosage today to 500 mg 2 times a day. But I also took a 100 mg tab of modafinil so I am unsure of the result. Tomorrow I will take 600 mg twice a day and see how I feel. Right now the dosages are hit and miss I am hoping to hit on a magical formula that I will be able to sue effectively. If I am able to replicate my initial euphoria piracetam will be a miracle drug for me.

When I first took the piracetam I was only taking 2400 mg a day 1200 2 times a day so I think that's well within the acceptable range. It's the choline I think that's my achiles heel. I will spend the next few test runs Gradually increasing my choline dosage. I will then switch to Alpha GPC and see how that works.