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ssccrab
#1 Posted : 11/27/2012 9:14:22 PM
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Hello all! I'm new here to the Nexus and new to DMT as well. I've just acquired some from a friend of mine (250mg) and I've done more than enough studying from hundreds of sources on the drug. I'm a semi-regular pot smoker (I may smoke once every week or so), and I haven't yet take any other drugs like DMT. I know absolutely nothing I read or watch online can prepare me for my experience, but I'm ready to take the plunge! Onto my topic...

After reading on vaping the DMT and how it's the best way to go about administering it, I decided to build my own vaporizer. This contraption is comprised of a single, fairly good sized mason jar, some air nozzle tips, a clear hose and a couple pieces of plumbing bits, all of which I bought at Home Depot (besides the mason jar). I poked two holes in the top of the jar's lid (the piece seperate from the screw on part), and attached a 1/4" air nozzle tip to a small 1/8" pipe, which reaches down into the jar about 3/4 of the way. This portion is what the hose attaches to, and of course is where you toke from. The other end of the hose has another 1/4" nozzle with an adapter, made out for a mouth piece and is easily washable as it screws right off.

I installed another 1/8" adapter to a 1" pipe through the other hole, which acts as the vent. That pipe goes about 2/4 of the way down.

The holes where I installed my pieces are sealed air tight with a strong epoxy cement. I have a torch lighter I intend to use on the bottom of the jar to initiate vaporizing. Course I won't use it too close or anything, just enough to fill the "chamber" with that cloudy white smoke. My question for you guys on here is whether or not it's a good idea to put anything on the bottom of the jar before putting my spice in..? Check out the included pics and let me have your thoughts! Thanks friends!











 

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#2 Posted : 11/27/2012 9:37:37 PM

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Hello ssccrab,

Welcome to the Nexus.

To be honest, I believe there is a huge flaw in your homemade vape and that is the length of the tubing. DMT melts and vaporizes at extremely LOW temperatures. This means it begins to re-crystallize on surrounding surfaces almost immediately. This means the tube length of your pipe, bong or vape needs to be short.

I do hope you will submit a formal Introduction Essay - clearly you are an innovative, resourceful and creative person.

Again, welcome to the Nexus.
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#3 Posted : 11/27/2012 10:09:40 PM
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Pandora wrote:
Hello ssccrab,

Welcome to the Nexus.

To be honest, I believe there is a huge flaw in your homemade vape and that is the length of the tubing. DMT melts and vaporizes at extremely LOW temperatures. This means it begins to re-crystallize on surrounding surfaces almost immediately. This means the tube length of your pipe, bong or vape needs to be short.

I do hope you will submit a formal Introduction Essay - clearly you are an innovative, resourceful and creative person.

Again, welcome to the Nexus.


Thanks for replying and for the tip! Do you think it would be wise to shorten it to the length of the other pipe shown, or possibly even have both of them a little shorter? Or are you talking about the length of the clear tube? And if so, about how long should it be? Last question.. Is there anything I need on the bottom, such as cloth or some kind of steel wool, or is the bottom ok like it is? I'll put up an intro essay as soon as I can :-)
 
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#4 Posted : 11/28/2012 3:14:05 AM

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I am no expert in these designs so I would suggest awaiting more feedback on the other items. But, my original feedback was directed at the length of tubing - it should be as short as reasonably possible. Obviously, you want enough length to comforably get from the rig to your mouth, but the shorter you can make it, the more DMT will make it to your lungs.

Also, in case you hadn't located it yet, the Smoking link in Preparations and Methods of Extraction, has lots of teks and devices for smoking. . . https://www.dmt-nexus.me...t.aspx?g=topics&f=50
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#5 Posted : 11/28/2012 4:57:20 AM

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looks very nice! It may take a little bit to heat the dmt to the correct temperature depending on the thickness of the bottom of the jar. I use a lightbulb vaporizer (contrary to the experiences of many, It works the best for me) and even that thin glass takes a minute to vaporize the spice. the plus side though is that it will probably hold the temperature better once it reaches the melting point, and you may not have to reheat between tokes. Good luck, I hope it works well for you. also it might help to burn up a small piece of choreboy and use it to hold your spice. I did that and place it inside the lightbulb, and it allows it to be heated by the air around it rather than sitting straight on the glass, and keeps it from creating the slightly brown, possibly oxidized dmt that hurts your lungs. just helps you get more out of less spice and seems to be less harsh on the lungs. Also, from one newbie to another, I recommend just gritting your teeth and jumping straight in rather than taking too much time to dip your feet in. I get terrified if I smoke just a little and chicken out, but if I take a big ol spiteful toke, I'm off before I have time to get scared and IT IS AMAZINGLY INTENSE!!! Big grin Big grin Big grin
 
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#6 Posted : 11/28/2012 7:39:24 AM

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welcome to the nexus ssccrab! does that shorter tube, the one i'm assuming you pull hot air through vaping dmt with, have 2 balls of pre-burnt copper wool (chore boy) in it w/ the dmt in between them? and if so, why not make a bubbler out of it and switch the lengths, making the short one long and vice versa to make a bubbler. we all know that would make it rip smoother. and pandoras right about the tube length, if you're alright with splitting that tube and gently "scraping" and replacing it after a whole lotta uses you can get some perfectly fine dmt out of it.

otherwise nice design; and again welcome!
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#7 Posted : 11/28/2012 11:38:12 AM

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Speaking as a glass blower, a mason jar wont work for what you're trying to do.

Mason jars are made from soft glass (soda lime), which means they have a much lower melting/stress temperatures than pyrex (borosilicate). If you put a lighter to that jar it would likely crack and send your precious molecule to the floor. I applaud your MacGuyver attitude, but a meth pipe would work better and be cheaper/safer. You could always stick one of those tubes on the end of it to make it custom. Lol..

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#8 Posted : 11/28/2012 1:41:36 PM

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I'm a glass blower as well, and believe Charlie B. is right on target with his comment. The type of glass that jar is made of is very likely to crack under the thermal stress of heating it with a lighter. Not only that, but because of the thickness of the glass, it will take way too long to heat up to vaping temp. That might not be a problem with your first hit, but if you need more than one it becomes a big deal. Getting the full dose into you as quickly as possible is key with this stuff, and the whole time you are trying to vape your second hit, the effects of the first one will be wearing off, and you won't be able to get the rapid back-to-back hits required for a breakthrough. So basically even if the jar doesn't break, you'll still end up chasing your tail and will only be able to get threshold effects.

BUT! you're very close to having a machine-bubbler there. If you attach a 90 degree fitting on the top of the longer stem, you can stuff the opening with a screen and some steel wool and use that as your bowl. Put a little water in the jar and shorten the hose as suggested, attach it to the shorter stem, and you'll have a much more effective smoking device.

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#9 Posted : 11/28/2012 9:17:13 PM
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Thank you all for replying and helping me out! As you'll see in these photos, I took your suggestions to heart and made a few modifications. It's now a bubbler, and it works quite well!

Here's my newly modified "vaporizer into bubbler" machine. Notice the new fittings, such as elbows fitted to the bowl, and a much shorter air tube with mouth piece.



You'll notice I removed the two pipes that were originally inside and replaced one side with a pipe and air nozzle tip, which dips into the water from the bowl. The other side with no pipe going down is where air is sucked out through the clear tube.



The next two photos detail the bowl. You'll notice in the first photo how deep the bowl is. It's a pretty good size. The second photo shows the size of the bowl in comparison to a quarter.





Lastly, none of the stores around me had any Chore Boys, so I went with what I thought was the next best thing: Scotch Brite Copper Pads. They're basically the same thing, right?


My questions now pertain to loading the bowl and the correct way to do so. Am I to cut a couple of small pieces of copper pad and burn with my torch lighter for a minute or so, then insert them into the bowl, put on the DMT, then put another pre-burned bit of pad on top of that? Also, does the length of the air tube look ok? Thanks, and looking forward to your responses!
 
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#10 Posted : 11/28/2012 9:23:14 PM

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Awesome! You just made this device 10000x better

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to your question,

Yes, you want to take a small bit of scrubber, roll it up into a ball that fits your apparatus, flame it to remove any residues.

You want to place the DMT on top of the scrubber, and melt it into it. This is not always an easy task if you want to avoid burning the DMT, sandwhiching it with another (Smaller) layer of scrubber metal is a great idea. You could vaporize much more effectively.

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Length of the tube looks fine, you'll find a fair bit of DMT crystallizing inside, but that can always be recovered. I don't know about the mouth piece bit on the top, seems unnecessary, but could also protect the tubing, so you decide.
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#11 Posted : 11/28/2012 9:47:23 PM

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That looks like a huge improvement! Should work great now.

I'm wary of copper scrubbers, copper will vaporize at relatively low temps and it's very toxic to be inhaling it. I think the one you got there might be the same as what I bought, which turned out to be a thin copper coating over a steel core. What I did was cut up a piece and burn off the copper coating in a torch flame, and was left with pure steel wool. This worked great for me.

But I have to disagree with the previous person's method of use, IMO putting your spice on top of the scrubber is much more likely to burn it. You want the steel wool in between the spice and the flame to absorb most of the heat, so that there is only hot air passing over the spice. I would put a few metal pipe screens in the bottom of the bowl, then maybe a layer of ash. load your spice on top of that, then put the steel wool in on top of it. You can get your lighter much closer this way and not have to worry about burning your precious crystals.
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#12 Posted : 11/28/2012 9:57:20 PM

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Crazyhorse wrote:
But I have to disagree with the previous person's method of use, IMO putting your spice on top of the scrubber is much more likely to burn it. You want the steel wool in between the spice and the flame to absorb most of the heat, so that there is only hot air to passing over the spice. I would put a metal pipe screen (maybe several) in the bottom of the bowl, load your spice on top of that, then put the steel wool in on top of it. You can get your lighter much closer this way and not have to worry about burning your precious crystals.


I DID in fact mention he should sandwich the DMT to avoid burning it.

Good call on the scrubbers though, didn't notice they were copper. I always used stainless steel
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ssccrab
#13 Posted : 11/30/2012 6:40:34 PM
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Thanks guys! Yeah I was a bit unsure about the copper pads too, but here in a bit I'll take my torch lighter to one and see how that goes. I took my lighter to the pipes and pieces too just to make sure any sore of impurities on the outsides were taken away. I'm trying it out tonight with some friends of mine, using pot, as we'll go with my DMT next weekend. I'll post how it goes!
 
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#14 Posted : 11/30/2012 7:18:04 PM

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ssccrab wrote:
...Lastly, none of the stores around me had any Chore Boys, so I went with what I thought was the next best thing: Scotch Brite Copper Pads. They're basically the same thing, right?
...

The package in your photo says โ€œcopper coatedโ€. This suggests the base metal is something other than copper. Iโ€™d be cautious using those.

Regarding your overall design: It looks nice, butโ€ฆ warm DMT vapors love to condense on any and all cooler surfaces. The more surface area it has to condense on, the less that will make it to where you want it (in your lungs!) In my opinion, the shortest, straightest path to your lungs is the most efficient path.
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Thats a good looking homemade pice good job dude Thumbs up

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#16 Posted : 11/30/2012 7:24:26 PM

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Crazyhorse wrote:
That looks like a huge improvement! Should work great now.

I'm wary of copper scrubbers, copper will vaporize at relatively low temps and it's very toxic to be inhaling it. I think the one you got there might be the same as what I bought, which turned out to be a thin copper coating over a steel core. What I did was cut up a piece and burn off the copper coating in a torch flame, and was left with pure steel wool. This worked great for me.

But I have to disagree with the previous person's method of use, IMO putting your spice on top of the scrubber is much more likely to burn it. You want the steel wool in between the spice and the flame to absorb most of the heat, so that there is only hot air passing over the spice. I would put a few metal pipe screens in the bottom of the bowl, then maybe a layer of ash. load your spice on top of that, then put the steel wool in on top of it. You can get your lighter much closer this way and not have to worry about burning your precious crystals.

Copper vaporizes at very high temperature โ€“ I think somewhere around 2000°F or so. Even so, Iโ€™d be concerned exposing it to the direct flame of a torch lighter. In a GVG, where the temperature is lower and there is no exposure to direct flame, copper is great (and quite safe). But Iโ€™d avoid torching it directly.

Steel wool is even more susceptible to direct flame. Fine steel wool will actually ignite with sufficient heat/flame.

When exposing a metal โ€œwoolโ€ to direct flame, stainless steel is best.

Regarding where to put the spice โ€“ as soon as it liquefies, it will quickly migrate to the coolest area it can, so if you begin with gentle heat, thereโ€™s little risk of burning it.
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#17 Posted : 11/30/2012 7:34:07 PM

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Copper vaporizes at very high temperature โ€“ I think somewhere around 2000°F or so.

Steel wool is even more susceptible to direct flame. Fine steel wool will actually ignite with sufficient heat/flame.


This is true, but what you might not realize is the reason I'm calling that a relatively low temp (relative to many other metals that is), is that many torch lighters run up to about 2500 degrees and CAN melt even solid copper or aluminum. And my own experience with the very thin coating on this particular type of scrubber (which may not even be pure copper) is that it burns off very easily, and the smoke that comes off isn't something I'd want anyone to breathe so I feel it's worth warning people about.

Although I've been referring to the steel core that I was left with after burning off the copper as "Steel wool", I've come to realize that you're right and the stuff that is properly called by that name would be terrible for use in a pipe, its very thin and wispy stuff. But the core of these scrubbers is more like a ribbon, fairly wide and thick and doesn't burn easily, even in the 3000+ degree flame of my glassworking torch, so I consider that a good material to use.

Also, Scarab, if you leave the weed ashes in your pipe after smoking from it, they should make a nice bed for the spice to melt into and help keep it from getting through the screen.
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#18 Posted : 11/30/2012 10:17:01 PM

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Copper melts at just under 2000°F and vaporizes at about 4700°F. I wouldn't worry about 100% copper scrubbers.
 
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#19 Posted : 12/1/2012 6:31:40 PM
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So my girlfriend and I, who live together, invited a chick friend over who brought the weed, and all I have to say is WOOOOOOW! This thing kicked our butts last night! High for hoouuurrrss and absolutely the highest the 3 of us have ever been! You just get soooo much smoke with so little effort. Two hits and we were gone!

Regarding the scrubbers I bought: I took my torch lighter to a small piece I had cut out, which in fact removed the coating. I balled it up and put the piece down inside the nipple that joins the bowl to the elbow. It did a pretty phenomenal job of holding everything in there, and not a piece was sucked through to the water. The size of the bowl is well more than enough too. I think it's cool how it can be removed from the nipple to be cleaned out.

I'll be sure to post my first report of using the DMT through it. We plan on doing it next weekend when no one has to work and everyone can be there. We're inviting over a few friends, one who has some knowledge of it as well. Let me get your thoughts on my smoking method: Place DMT inside bowl, place another screen on top of DMT, use torch lighter to heat outside of bowl for 10-20 seconds to vape DMT inside, as to not touch any flame to it directly, pull a toke to vape inside of jar and lastly, take the first hit, hold for 20 seconds.
 
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