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Food for Thought - The Root Rep, Tricksters, and DMT Options
 
VIII
#1 Posted : 7/16/2012 1:03:13 AM

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Food for thought.
The following link is an excerpt from Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson. It addresses two main topics that I believe you Nexians may find enjoyable, "The Root Rep" and tricksters. It is fairly dense, but I found it to be very worthwhile.

Link: http://webpages.charter....ature/cryptonomicon.html

Personally I've been relating the reading to my DMT experiences and would be interested in hearing what ideas the reading brings forth in the other members here. I found the Root Rep to be an intriguing concept that was very well demonstrated in the reading. Any input is much appreciated.

For those of you with no Entity or Trickster contact (as I've read in previous threads), can you relate the Trickster ideas to your general DMT or life experiences?


Moving on to the topic at hand...
Tricksters

I'd like to preface this by saying that I've searched the Nexus for relevant threads and will try to incorporate the information introduced by other Nexians into my post. I will be laying out my ideas in a fairly rough form. The following does not specifically discuss the excerpt I posted above, but the reading spurred my thinking on the topic of Tricksters.

Benevolent or Malicious Intent?
Many Nexians have reported that an entity seems to be evil or otherwise tricking them in some fashion. I believe this post may help to reveal some possible motivations behind these entities, the purposes they serve, and some common tricks that tricksters use. Tricksters are commonly found in both benevolent and malicious roles and many times these roles overlap. The important aspect of tricksters, in my opinion, is that they are bringers or representations of change. Trickster's behavior is unsettling, appears malicious, but ultimately serves a positive purpose. The trickster who falls short of ultimately serving a positive purpose is commonly labeled as the fool.

Neal Stephenson wrote:
"So, Enoch, you want me to believe that these gods - which aren't really gods, but it's a nice concise word - all share certain things in common precisely because the external reality normally generated them is consistent and universal across cultures."

"That is right. And in the case of the Trickster gods the pattern is that cunning people tend to attain power that un-cunning people don't. And all cultures are fascinated by this. Some of them, like many Native Amercians, bascically admire it, but never couple it with technological development. Others, like the Norse, hate it and identify it with the devil."


An Embodiment of DMT, The Trickster
My experiences with DMT have almost all fell into what I could categorize as trickster-like experiences.
Amara Graps wrote:
The Tricksters are important symbols because they devour ego and trick us into new perspectives, so the Trickster is the “ego demolitions expert” that leads us to places in our lives where we are tricked into becoming more whole. When people are in situations in their lives where it seems to them, psychologically, that their world is turned upside-down, then it’s time to pay attention. Usually it means that it’s time to change or do something different, and in a big way.

John E. Mack wrote:
Trickster is providence’s representative — a kind of savior sent when a society is in crisis and no longer serving the needs of its people.

In my opinion, the similarities between the DMT experience and the role that tricksters play is stunning. They break down the world-views we have built and reveal previously unknown or unaddressed possibilities. Through some of the thoroughest of displays they reveal the simplest of lessons that lie right before your eyes and just beneath the cusp of your conscious mind.

The Gate-Keeper
As mentioned by a few others here on the Nexus, I agree that the trickster entities (sometimes seen as Jesters) seem to welcome travelers to hyperspace.
On the reference to them being a gate-keeper or a doorway to hyperspace here is a quote from Byrd Gibbens on the trickster archetype:
Byrd Gibbens wrote:
Many native traditions held clowns and tricksters as essential to any contact with the sacred. People could not pray until they had laughed, because laughter opens and frees from rigid preconception. Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise. The trickster in most native traditions is essential to creation, to birth

My own experiences have been similar to the Trickster definition as well. If I encounter entities on this Earthly realm before entering hyperspace, they are generally gesturing me to go in odd directions, or are so completely fixated on something (eg: my smoking device) that I become distracted or confused. They throw off my game, so to speak, and prepare me for the unexpected.

Using Special Tools & Shapeshifting
Tricksters are often found as shape-shifters and/or using special tools. Shapeshifting may be as grand as a complete shift to an alternate physical form (Man<-->Animal/God), or a more subtle change in behavior or appearance of ability (Popeye, Coyote & Roadrunner, there are many possibilities here).
Special tools may be a privileged advantage of many kinds. In regards to the DMT experience I believe there are a few tools used. Trickster entities display a knowledge of hyperspace that is unknown to the observe and seem to use this to manipulate the experience. The rise of fear or other emotions in these situations may simply be a tool, an effective means for conveying a message in a memorable fashion.

Hyperspace-Techno-Savvy Teachers
I've also noticed, at least in my experiences, that tricksters in hyperspace are found working with technology more so than other entities. They also appear to be very human-like but at the same time are 'gods' existing comfortably in hyperspace. Both characteristics are commonly applied to tricksters (technology not so much for Native Americans, but for other culture's tricksters). Tricksters are also often used as Teachers, tricking a character in order to reveal a more important truth. For me, the tricksters appear to be my go-between. Human-like, but god-like, they have attempted to show me or teach me the workings of hyperspace in a fashion that is more understandable unsettling than that of some other entities, a ways away from being spelled-out clearly but having the conscious pull of importance.

One of my experiences with a trickster entity:
VIII wrote:
While beginning to focus on hyperspace I've seen Jesters begin to wander across my vision until one of them stays to greet. The single remaining Jester, in the couple times I've seen him, then proceeded to show me a mechanical device of sorts. It was an 'old' piece of machinery with a about 3-4 TV screens lined up horizontally. The TV's would then begin rotating vertically, bringing even more TV screens into view. The Jester then spoke telepathically, "This is what's happening."

The trickster entity in this experience would glance up intently while working this machine. I won't even attempt to say if that device had a specific purpose beyond conveying the message to me that there are always multiple perspectives and that it is important to be aware of the multiplicity.

Another decent read on tricksters:
TRANSFORMATIONS OF THE TRICKSTER
Helen Lock wrote:
According to Radin, for example, “Trickster is at one and the same time creator and destroyer, giver and negator, he who dupes others and who is always duped himself. . . . He possesses no values, moral or social, is at the mercy of his passions and appetites, yet through his actions all values come into being” (xxiii). Carl Jung, in an appendix in Radin’s volume, says further, “[T]rickster is both subhuman and superhuman, a bestial and divine being, whose most alarming characteristic is his unconsciousness. . . . He is so unconscious of himself that his body is not a unity, and his two hands fight each other” (“Trickster” 203). In all this, says Lewis Hyde, “Trickster is the mythic embodiment of ambiguity and ambivalence, doubleness and duplicity, contradiction and paradox” (7), and can thus be seen as the archetypal boundary-crosser, although here Hyde notes that “there are also cases in which trickster creates a boundary, or brings to the surface a distinction previously hidden from sight” (7).


TL;DR
- LONG, but interesting, BOOK EXCERPT
Cryptonomicon excerpt
- Trickster's behavior is unsettling, appears malicious, but ultimately serves a positive purpose.
- DMT is a trickster
DMT is an “ego demolitions expert” coupled with a “teacher”
- Tricksters(ex: Jesters) are the Gate-Keeper/Doorway to Hyperspace.
"Humans had to have tricksters within the most sacred ceremonies for fear that they forget the sacred comes through upset, reversal, surprise."
- Tricksters are shape-shifters and use special tools to help convey messages
- Tricksters working with technology or working as teachers to reveal inner workings
-Another decent read on tricksters:
Transformations of the Trickster
Trickster's Time
Many, many other researched and cited articles on tricksters are out there for those interested.


Thanks for reading. Any ideas this brought forth, any ideas it sparked, any comments, questions, experiences, or anything else you feel like sharing is much appreciated!

I have no expectations for where this goes, only to share this information and hear other perspectives.
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You may not care the slightest and may not be the brightest, but from here "I" sees you're mighty for you created it all.

And the jumbling sea rose above the wall.

Through this chaos comes the order you enthrall.
 

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Psychonaut In Orbit
#2 Posted : 7/16/2012 2:53:06 AM

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I have encountered MANY jesters/tricksters on my dmt journeys. Their emotional aura doesn't seem to be made up of any malice but they are very content with shooting a puzzling look or two my way or an ear to ear grin that leaves me in a slight state of confusion and apprehension. The subsequent images that follow are usually so over the top or so out in left field from whats happening at present, that I've learnt to appreciate and even use them as hyperspace "landmarks" or cues. Which means... to me when the jesters show up I know I'm in for a true inside out head shattering, mind bending experience! Shocked Very happy Shocked
1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

*All posts under this moniker, Psychonaut In Orbit, is for entertainment and research purposes only. All events stated to have happened, or witnessed are all heresay and fictional*
 
VIII
#3 Posted : 7/16/2012 3:31:43 PM

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Thank you very much for the reply Psychonaut!

Using them as a landmark is a great idea and indeed they have many mind-bending things to show!

The encounter I detailed in my original post consisted of a jester attempting to show and explain his machine to me. Have your jesters/tricksters used any machines or technology? Have they attempted to explain any aspects of hyperspace?

Tricksters are known to bring about change, whether through direct contradiction to drawn boundaries or through their unsettling effect on our subconscious. Have your jesters/tricksters illuminated any type of mental boundaries? Created new boundaries? Or, like my rotating TV experience, have they been less direct with their message?


Any other thoughts, experiences, or other thoughts stemming from this discussion are most welcome. Thanks for sharing.
The inner soul is full of joy. Reveal my secrets and sew me whole. With each day, "I" heeds your call.
You may not care the slightest and may not be the brightest, but from here "I" sees you're mighty for you created it all.

And the jumbling sea rose above the wall.

Through this chaos comes the order you enthrall.
 
Psychonaut In Orbit
#4 Posted : 7/16/2012 4:21:49 PM

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Thank you for your post and reply, my fellow psychonaut. In some of my trips, Tricksters and jesters have played all sorts of roles. There was one trip where the trickster, who so happened to look like a fractal filled holographic version of the riddler, used the actual hallucinations I was having as sort of a mental lasso, and a picture frame all at the same time. He was lying down in mid air... grinning... while the ridiculous fractal patterns that surrounded him kept orbiting around and around him at some very insane speeds, and speed change ups. A few times between these change ups the surrounding fractals would some how "jump" at me multiple times and then take their place again orbiting the silly jester. After one last fractal invasion, I kid you not, the jester looked dead in my face/energy/soul/mirror/idk??? and gave me the creepiest grin I've ever witnessed... he then waved his hand across his face and completely melted into the surrounding fractal patterns, which then warped me to this cartoonish kingdom of "block people". These block people were different colors... very cartoonish.. some of these block people stacked on each other to make up the buildings of the kingdom... the other ones just bounced around as if they didn't have a single care in the world. This trip was extremely insane and caught me completely off guard.

As far as machinery, I haven't seen these tricksters with or around any machinery but, during some OEVs, I've seen the faces of the jesters jump out of walls, ceilings, floors, and sorta "lip sync" some of the music I'm listening to at the time (I sometimes listen to music that has some singing or maybe a few phrases of vocals).

1% of reality is within our plane of existence. What we feel... what we see... what we hear... what we "think" we know... The other 99% percent of reality can only be shown to us through DMT. This 99% lies within the "Realm of the Unknowns". We can only experience FULL reality when we leave this vessel, our bodies. DMT gives us a taste of this full reality... the universal knowledge is given to us by the beings who call "hyperspace" their home. When in hyperspace there is no "self" but instead this self is replaced with pure and raw energy. ENERGY CAN NOT BE DESTROYED, ONLY TRANSFERRED OR TRANSFORMED! So when you have that "ego-death" during a breakthrough trip, don't fret, you are not being destroyed but yet..... YOU ARE BEING TRANSFORMED.


I LOVE YOU, RESPECT YOU AND I THANK YOU... Dimethyltryptamine ... for showing me the 99% of reality that I would never have experienced in everyday life.

*All posts under this moniker, Psychonaut In Orbit, is for entertainment and research purposes only. All events stated to have happened, or witnessed are all heresay and fictional*
 
VIII
#5 Posted : 11/25/2012 9:19:49 PM

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Had some thoughts come back up in regards to Tricksters and did some research so I thought I would update this older post instead of making a whole new one. I added some more info on tricksters (mainly derived from their roles in literature and other media) and made it all a bit more readable (yes, it is still a long post).

If anybody is curious as to more reading on a specific point mentioned I am happy to track down and share sources to further discuss.

Psychonaut, that experience certainly sounds like quite a journey! Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not sure how I missed your post previously, but have you further integrated these experiences at all?
The inner soul is full of joy. Reveal my secrets and sew me whole. With each day, "I" heeds your call.
You may not care the slightest and may not be the brightest, but from here "I" sees you're mighty for you created it all.

And the jumbling sea rose above the wall.

Through this chaos comes the order you enthrall.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/19/2013 5:21:44 PM
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WOW just what i am looking for AMAZING INFO THANK YOU!
I have seen a joker/trickster face grinning directly at me on a high dose of liberty cap mushroom honey after inhaling an nitrous oxide balloon almost a year ago now. The face was made up of hundreds of multicolored triangles, had crazy looking teeth and seemed to have DNA spirals on the top of its head. This was before I knew hardly anything about DMT or spirit entities...My friend described seeing the same trickster face when on mushrooms mdma and nitrous oxide a few months after my experience. It really turned my world upside down after seeing the face, i started researching into ancient history, psychology, astrology, spirituality and most of all shamanism. Looking back over the last year I can see how I became more and more detached from reality and seem to be forever conjuring up abstract theories and ways of seeing spiritually. It got to the point my family and friends thought I was going mad (long story) and luckily my partner helped me see I was getting carried away with my research and that I just need to accept the reality we live in and live in the moment. So thank you tricksters for tricking me down this positive and insightful path I am on now.
On a separate event I saw what I believe was my true self in this life and it was one of the most beautiful experiences I have ever had in my life. I inhaled a balloon on a fairly small dose of mdma and mushrooms and I saw my body made up of what seemed like millions of stars and galaxies that all exploded like tons of fireworks. I looked like the most stunning, warrior-like, slender, strong and entrancing goddess of a woman I have ever seen which was hugely healing for me as I really struggle with a negative body image of myself. At first I was like... who the fuck is that??? It was undeniable that this figure was part of my true identity, free, wild, fearless... so perhaps either an astral projection of my authentic self or just a fabrication of my desired self-image?? I have no idea what to think, but after seeing my body blown up across the universe I was swarmed with visions of earths evolution, so much so I almost forgot to breathe. All i can really remember seeing was prehistoric types of vegetation, snippets of reptilian creatures and having the feeling I was being chased by a predator. So strangely I was left with both an instinctive feeling of fear towards dinosaurs/predators and a peaceful, mystic, slightly sexual, insightful view of true myself.
 
 
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