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arcanum
#41 Posted : 11/23/2012 10:36:09 PM

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jamie wrote:
"if you decide to take some make sure to not ingest foods with tyramine and follow the maoi diet."

There is no data to support the need to avoid tyramine with ayahuasca. There is no such thing as a "maoi diet" in the jungle. It is a myth made up by white people. You have to avoid SSRI's and stimulants etc..those are things mostly of our world. Tyramine though is not going to have this sort of interaction with harmine or harmaline that some people fear so much.


Jamie, I'm intrigued with this observation, I know the MAOI's B. caapi and Perganum harmala are RIMAS. But so are drugs like Moclobemide, I used to take it, and I did have some issues after eating aged cheese, fermented foods, red wine. I felt safer avoiding them and indeed was advised to do so by the perscribing physician.

True that there's not an MAOI diet in the Amazon, but there's not much Brie, Saurkraut and Chainti either.

I would still advise caution with certain high tyramine foods.
 

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#42 Posted : 11/23/2012 11:14:45 PM
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I'm no doctor, I don't know the causes of depression. But I've seen people fall into a rut and develop depression. I think we as humans are the only species who have that luxury, every other species is too busy fighting for food, shelter, water and survival to ever fall into a rut."

Really if ever crossed the line between "blues" and depression, than fighting for food, shelter and water seems much better than the "luxury" of depression, when wanting or having no opinion or fear of one owns death seems like a calming thought, like a relief, like an pretty good solution.Only a few will understand what I really mean, the ones that can really help me, but TY for every effort done to help.
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#43 Posted : 11/23/2012 11:47:53 PM
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Really, I did not at all want to sound as if your depression was something to be taken lightly, my apologies if that sounded offensive. Compared to my friend M, who didn't even have the capacity to leave her bed aside from doing a few hours of work a few times weekly to barely eek out a living you seem to be in a better position where you are trying to seek information and get help for yourself. Another friend of mine has just earned a PhD in Psychology, and she'll be the first to say that the whole phenomenon of depression is very poorly understood even today. What's strange to me is that it either seems to be afflicting people in record numbers, but it could be that we just hear more about it due to access to information.

What I left out of my post completely is that my 20 yr. old little brother used to be extremely depressed, and it's onset was directly related to a series of deaths in our family that left him reeling. We all watched his mental decline which led to him abusing some very serious and deadly drugs like heroin. This culminated in his death by accidental overdose on OxyContin mixed with his prescription meds. I don't know if you have always struggled with it or you can directly trace it to an event in your life, but if you did experience something that triggered it then you need to deal with that underlying issue. He didn't, and he died as a result. I don't think any of us even realized just how sensitive he was about his grand parents dying as the rest of us are quite the pragmatic bunch as well as older and more experienced and quite comfortable with the fact that death is a part of life.

Again, I meant no offense and wish you all the best in finding happiness.
 
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#44 Posted : 11/24/2012 2:19:01 AM
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arcanum wrote:
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I know the MAOI's B. caapi and Perganum harmala are RIMAS. But so are drugs like Moclobemide, I used to take it, and I did have some issues after eating aged cheese, fermented foods, red wine. I felt safer avoiding them and indeed was advised to do so by the perscribing physician.

True that there's not an MAOI diet in the Amazon, but there's not much Brie, Saurkraut and Chainti either.

I would still advise caution with certain high tyramine foods.

^..This!
..and i've deliberately eaten chocolate, brie, sugar and lentils, and drank wine and beer, on ayahuasca to see what would happen..ranged from just 'not fun' to 'put me out of my misery please!' Hell! ..and not just me, but sure, maybe not everyone..


i..agree with the OP that discovering inner worlds and new vision is a major key in climbing out of depression..

best of luck..sincerely
 
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