Edit: Maybe this would be better posted in the "Ayahuasca" section, but I wasn't too sure. My main questions pertain to the "Extraction" method for this brew so I posted it here but I'll move it to a different section if you feel it doesn't belong here.

Hello Let me start by introducing myself I suppose. I've been following these forums for quite awhile but have never bothered to make an account up until now, since I now live in an area where one could obtain a DMT containing plant if one wanted to. I know you can order online too, but SWIM prefers the actual full experience of harvesting the plant because SWIM feels a spiritual connection to the tree when doing so. it so happens that Acacia Confusa grows abundantly in Hawaii, (in fact it's invasive, and everywhere!). SWIM went out and harvested root bark and stripped it/shredded it.

Now, SWIM has read tons of articles about Acacia Confusa aka "Rainbow Tree" being unique in that it does NOT require a MAO Inhibitor. Some people have confirmed this, some people have denied this. A common belief is that since A. Confusa contains ~1.4% DMT (.4% more than hostilis), that it's possible that some of the DMT gets processed because there is such a high concentration and the MAOs in the body can't essentially "destroy" all of the DMT. (Not 100% on the accuracy of that but it kind of makes sense).

So, SWIM has filled up about half an empty water bottle with root bark and has plenty to experiment with. SWIM took about maybe 7 or 8 strips and shredded them and crushed them into a small chunky "woodchip" looking compost, with plenty of surface area exposed. Then placed them into a mason jar filled with distilled room temperature water (basically a Jurema-tea preperation with Confusa). SWIM plans to leave it like that for 48 hours, then filter out plant material while pouring liquid into a different container. From there, SWIM will run egg whites through it to remove tannins, and then filter out liquid again, and refrigerate it overnight. The brew will be consumed without a MAOI to see if it's true that Confusa does not require one. The idea in all of this is to eventually, (through trial-and-error) create a reasonably enjoyable-tasting "iced-tea" that sends you into another realm. Stupid idea? Nope. Different? Very. lol.

I've read people doing similar things but none of them ever update their threads and post results. They just say "I'm gonna try it, will post results" and then the thread ends :\ So my questions in all of this are as follows:

1.) Has anyone tried this method or any cold water extraction methods with this plant or a different plant? If so, what were your results?

2.) Do you think this could work? If so or if not, please explain

3.) I've heard about honey being added to Jurema. Could one add sugar or even better, Xylitol (a natural tree-based sugar sold in packets and used as a healthy alternative to sugar, very indistinguishable) in the brew? Or is there some chemical effect that'll ruin the brew?

4.) With the egg white process, I've heard that the brew has to be lightly simmered when adding the egg whites. SWIM wants to avoid heating of any kind so could he just take raw egg whites and mix them into the cool mixture to remove tannins or do tannins only stick to egg whites under heat? I would think it could work with any temperature but I could be wrong.

SWIM is going to try this in a few days once a little more time has passed for extraction and unlike many, SWIM will actually post results ! lol. Thank you for reading and any help is appreciated.

iv actualy got an acrb extract going atm im currently simmering my root bark and doing 3 hour long washes in vinager i have a friend who is wanting to try to drink some of the tea that will be left i will post any effects or let you know what happens period ill also post specific doses and amounts used

thanks man! would love to hear it. and does the method you mentioned work? with the vinegar and simmering? i was originally gonna do that but then i heard about this mystery alkaloid that might possibly be destroyed by heat and vinegar

well my method with the vinager and simmering is just a mix of a bunch of different sources on a standard a/b extraction. i have a theory and i havent reaserched it at all but could it not be the nmt in the ACRB that be giving the oraly active effects without the maoi?

that's what i always wondered! confusa has such a significantly high level of not only dmt but nmt, and i'm thinking maybe that has something to do with the oral activity. plus nmt crystallizes differently so there's something special in it's chemical structure. that being said, I'm about to down 1/3 cup of this crudely extracted potion and see what happens. It's a replication of Ott's method in which he soaked root bark for an hour in water, drank, and had a 2 hour strong experience. Except instead of one hour I did a 48 hour soak. Hopefully this works. Will post results as soon as possible, and will even update every few minutes. Got my zen music playing, I'm ready a little nervous but I think this really might work. Here goes!

k first shot is down the hatch. didn't taste bad though? tasted like tangy water. maybe a used a bit too much water i guess? not sure. one thing i did notice is an INSTANT light headedness. prior to drinking i had a very slight headache because I stayed up late the night prior and that instantly went away. i have a very light euphoric feeling. head feels very light. not sure if this is placebo effect, but im pretty sure im actually feeling this. i still have about 3 more shots left to finish off 1/3 cup. will continue to update. going to have a shot every 5 minutes. wish me luck!

2nd shot down. DEFINITE body high! muscles are slowly spasming and contracting. my back muscle randomly pulled back. im shaking all over, its a really weird sensation but o far no horrible hallucinations. seeing slight green but nothing crazy. i used a lot of water though so im thinking about 5-7 shots is gonna send me deep. will continue updating

4th or 5th shot down. can't remember. time distortion has hit me. visuals aren't heavy yet although now im catching glimpses of electrical lines surging throuh my comptuer screen. mind feels empty. its a very nice sedative feeling. not quite feeling the dmt yet but there is definitely some type of psychoactive thats hitting me right now. i used a lot of water though, i feel like i need to drink a lot to feel it all. hasnt even been 45 minutes yet though so i'll wait a lil.

after about 9 shots im almost out of tea. so....DEFINITE effects, but not DMT. it was a sedative effect. for a good 10 minutes i felt like ihad been hit with an elephant dart and kind of woozy. similar to being drunk and high at the same time. but slowly returned back. no harsh visuals. i felt like i was going to go into hyperspace but just couldn't, and i think thats because the dmt got destroyed. im gonna try with a maoi and update with results as soon as possible.

Interesting and thanks Curious Chemist. Maybe you need to up the confusa dose too, as it has NMT as well as DMT, making it a little less gung-ho than a just dmt source. I usually use some heat to bring things out, but I've heard fables of cold-water brews.

yea i'll definitely try using heat and see what thats like. and yea i think the nmt is gonna be a little tricky to work around. it's an interesting plant to work with though and tons of it grows on my college campus so im not afraid of a few failed trials as i have an abundance of it lol. i think im gonna try another cold water extract and take with maoi, then do a boil water with no maoi and a boil water with maoi. see which ones work best. will update soon. jus gotta get my hands on a maoi

good on ya for taking the time to connect with the trees mate! I have found since going out and getting to know the plants in the wild and putting in hard work processing the material, that I have formed a much deeper connection with them than I would have ever anticipated. This adds a whole 'nother dimension to the experience of the extracts too I think... these alkaloid bearing plants really do have a differen't presence to them. They seem to show us, (for example through complex and thought provoking vein structures) that they have something to show us..

Also... it might be an idea to experiment with the phyllodes, as its highly likely they contain the alkaloids too. this is usually the case with acacias. Phyllodes of active species usually contain alkaloids in worthy quantities.. slightly less than bark but its much easier on the tree. I don't know about confusa, but I know generally with acacia, harvesting root bark will usually kill the tree. there has been little research into phyllode content of confusa so it would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks for your experimentation

be well! good luck in your adventures

I'll definitely give the phyllodes some experimenting! the internet says there is no alkaloid content in the leaves, but the internet says a lot of things. I'm gonna go and actually see for myself and post results. I'll try extracting from leaves, and possibly grinding some up and smoking a small bowl to see if anything happens. seems unlikely but acacias are such a mysterious species of plant in the DMT world. definitely worth experimenting on. I also heard the stem bark can be psychoactive too. hopefully it is because I really don't want to damage the roots if I don't have to. thanks for the suggestion!

k guys, Just took a sip of my 2nd simple water extraction using half the amount of water and twice the amount of root bark. it actually tasted very bitter this time, but nothing too awful. different effects. not feeling a body high, but instead, some slight anxiety and paranoia, similar to weed, and i'm sweating all over, a LOT. body temp soared up for a brief 5 minutes and i felt like i had some kind of fever. i'm gonna conclude that a basic water solution is not enough to pull dmt from confusa bark (will try adding vinegar to fresh bark and repeat the process using acidic solution) due to the lack of effects and also the taste of the substance isn't really the nasty taste that people describe when sipping dmt brews. it is possible that confusa does require a maoi and that the solution has nothing to do with it, but i'm not going to experiment with maois for now. i want to test this theory that a maoi is not needed for confusa. i really think heat/acid is gonna pull that dmt out. will update as usual

I reckon you'll find stem to be fine look forward to hearing how you go.. and yes heat helps draw it out a lot especially if slightly acidic

Hi. I'm just curious if you had any luck with a different preparation of Acacia. I'm making a tincture using grain alcohol and Chaliponga and experienced that very similar "body high" with the muscle spasms, some visuals but nothing like a DMT experience I have been reading about. For various reasons I'm not sure the chemical extraction process for me is in the cards but you never know.

This is perhaps one of the dumbest things my owner did, but he did ingest 6 tablespoons of straight up bark (very unconventional) and had a wild experience for roughly 25-30 minutes about an hour after taking it, and immediately after vomiting the bark up. At least he said he had the full effects. He lately has gotten curious if 3 grams of Vitamin C as an acid in a Jurema mixture would produce the same results. Monkey will let everyone know...Owner is already feeling weird. Monkey would also note that no MAOI was taken with this...