I've been thinking about this recently as mhrb has been becoming increasingly sought out by law enforcement. Recently I have seen more and more posts come up on the nexus about importing Acacia Confusa as an alternative.. and it is bound to continue becoming more popular and sought out for its alkaloids. The thing I'm worried about, is that people aren't going to heed the advice of many nexians about growing some of these alternative sources because there is still another importable source remaining - and that we are soon enough going to see another mhrb type situation on our hands with this acacia.

I know one thing holding people back from growing is the growth rate of some of these plants. some of the acacias for example take a little while to grow and it may take years to be able to use them as a viable tryptamine source. Some of the grasses or smaller shrublike plants may be a good option though for quicker growth..

I just thought I'd point people in the direction of an interesting potential source from Australia that they could start looking into and growing.... the 'butterfly bush' - Petalostylis Cassoides. From what I've read this is a fairly fast growing shrub which has had numerous dmt findings of 0.4-0.5% alkaloids. Seeds are easily obtainable from many sources. And apparently there have been findings of tetrahydroharmine in the leaves and stems too? (TIHKAL 1997)

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=32729

http://www.plantsystemat...alostylis_cassioides.jpg

And of course definitely check out nen's new thread of the top 8 Acacias to grow https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&m=401570

i think the fabaceae greater of family (this family includes mimosa, acacia, yopo, cebil, et al) of plants is worth looking into, and remains largely unstudied.

Mimosoideae would be obvious subfamily to start with, but i have an odd feeling that senna genus might be popping its head in here in the coming months.

hear where you're coming from acacian. I think people who really want to find these things have always managed, if they've tried hard enough, or bothered to grow things, to find dmt. Perhaps it's better if less people are introduced to it in a college party/you tube hyped way. And the idea of so many people in developed countries relying on wild harvesting from third world countries for their 'enlightenment' is unsettling. I have been growing Phalaris AQ1 which was from a root division purchased. I saved the past few months new growth tips dried in a bag to extract. This grass actually likes being clipped or muched by cows and growths back even more thickly. I did an extraction of Phalaris aquatica grown from seed from an ag seed supplier many years ago. It came out as a yellow oil. I was like many a bit crystal obsessed back then so perhaps sidelined it a bit. But on reflection it was a very good experience inhaled from a pipe. Strong and clear, with its own taste. I'm hoping to help contribute to a Phalaris extraction tek in the near future. Could be grown hydroponically as nen has said.

Thank you for this discussion acacian.

Go acacian!!

I think you've done the most for me in the 'grow your own' field. It's not so much that you've, yourself, convinced me to start growing, but, just the initiative you take. The interest in these wonderful plants. The love you seem to have for each and every one of them.

It's.. inspired me.
Granted.. I don't live anywhere near places that are habitable for many different species, a few do pop up in discussions. And those few, I will happily tend to.

The long term thing, growing, and taking care of, and all that, I can see how it would deter most people. But.. honestly, those people should be detered. If they don't want to take the time to nurture, and grow something from nothing(well.. almost nothing), than, I don't think they should deserve the rewards. Cases can be made, sure. I'm not saying this to every single person that thinks growing will be a bad idea/to long of a task. But.. the majority, who don't see the treasures in helping it come to be, all with their own hands, they don't need it. They have other things to worry about.

Don't lose that pssion acacian. You're helping out a quite a few people. And quite a few plants as well.

I have pondered this, as well. While I am annoyed at the MH situation, and would rather not see acacia be banned also, it may have its benefits, too. It may weed out the lazy casual users who were into it because it was easy. If less people do it, it's harder to mass produce and thus traffic, then maybe DMT will fall off the radar again.

I completely agree, though. I bought my bark when I started reading on DMT, because I knew it was only a matter of time before big daddy gumment decided people shouldn't have it. I didn't actually intend to use any at the time, but curiosity got the better of me, as usual. When I realized the power of DMT, I knew what I had wouldn't last forever, and needed to get a sustainable source. When the mimosa shit hit the fan, I got myself some plants.

I think I have enough to last until my crunas get big enough for sustainable production, but I think I'm going to order some acacia acuminata seeds while I can. Does that do ok as a potted house tree?

Mr. Peabody wrote: How about as a potty Tree House ? In a really big pot for instance 4ft you could grow indoors and prune the top to make it bush out. Then you get more branch bark, which is as good as the trunk.

Also people grow chacruna in hot houses, even little plastic tents. It's not too slow and making more cuttings easy.

But mooooom i want the confuuuuuusa!

Sigh... Yea I hope that acacias dont become banned as a whole... haha...

Picking up acumminata seeds tomorrow, really excited to watch my babies gonn' sprout

whoa thanks so much for the kind words soysauce! I'm glad my words could be of service and I'm keen to help the community in whatever ways possible. I owe dmt for what it has done for me and i also owe the nexus for all the valuable info and wisdom that is shared here..

Yeah, i kind of feel the same way. I think if people really are that lazy/impatient that they won't even do a bit of research and get more involved with the plant source then maybe extracting isn't for them... if we keep relying on importing the same thing is just gonna happen over and over again like with mhrb. the list will grow for law enforcement and then people won't be able to enjoy these plants at all. The other day for example there was a thread by someone complaining about how much work they had to put themselves through to pull out a desmanthus bush... acting like it was the worlds biggest chore. I think if said person can't be bothered to get hands on with the plant and do a bit of work, then they dont deserve the experience that the plant has to offer..
...obviously I don't think that about all people who import and there are a number of different reasons for doing so.. but it does worry me in the current situation with mhrb that some people, instead of finding other ways of getting dmt such as growing or finding plants out in nature, are instead just going to change the species of plant that they import... pushing those plants to the same fate as mimosa

and yeah Mr. Peabody that crossed my mind as well and i hope that does turn out to be the case

also, i've noticed quite a few recent posts by users who are reluctant to try other sources because of lower yields, or less pure alkaloid profiles. make no mistake there are just as quality plant sources out there for pure alkaloid profiles, fluffy white crystals and essentially just as good yields. in some cases better. generally though.. when it comes to yield, i reckon anything 0.3% or more is actually quite good and people shouldn't be deterred by plants with lower yields than mimosa's rich 1% yield

exactly! acacian..well pointed out..half the reason to me, having watched things for two decades, that the US and Europe finds itself in this DMT-source predicament is because people just ignored plenty of ok alternate sources for this reason..Desmanthus etc..

..chacruna - 'light' plant of ayahuasca (P. viridis) is 0.3% DMT in the leaves..this is FINE and has been for 20,000 years in South America..most DMT plants in the world are around this %..means from 1kg of plant you get 3grams DMT..not so bad that it's been worth ignoring all these years..Desmanthus is a similar %..

and also, completely unsubstantiated IMO ideas that Phalaris grasses are a) hard to extract and b) full of toxins have caused Phalaris research to wait on the back-burner for 15 years..back in the 90s i heard at least 30-40 reports of successful phalaris-pharmahusca brews..the only reported negative side effects - 'too strong' on occasion with unknown strains..this is not to say that there may not be any toxins in some strains, nor to say that people without testing facilities should go out and down phalaris brews! Absolutely Not! but the research needs to step up a gear..

i know a few Nexians are working hard and doing all that they can..this needs to be a collective effort..

the only plant i can really think of that can grow fast enough, has an above average %, and can tolerate all climates and indoors, and is easy to grow is Phalaris aquatica AQ1 Strain..not hard to find if you look around..
there's my rant for the day.. thanks for your research acacian..

I had one very powerful experience with grass that was collected wild here..all I did was boil it in acidic water, filter it really well..do a few defats and then evaporate that water down..based this resin with sodium carb and pulled it with iso a few times..ended up with some yellow goo that was very very powerful upon inhalation..but more like some sort of 5meo trip..definatly a tryptamine blast off though. I came out okay. I have always wanted to repeat that experience but then I found mimosa and..you know..

I think people have underestimated the grasses, and gone somewhat overboard making claims of toxicity etc..

Now..if only these aquatica var.australia seeds would germinate..

i think we just need to work on promoting cheap, easy, and efficient methods of TLC for phalaris to gain popularity. people want to make sure any product they prepare would be safe to ingest

from my understanding an A/B with limo or with defats and naphtha would be sufficient for a phalaris extraction, but i wouldn't know how to prepare/use a TLC or how to purify (i wouldn't imagine a re-x would work) my product if i found something unsafe in it.

the waters are still a bit murky, but it seems like some of the more educated folks on this board have a better understanding (and can perhaps shed light on this subject).

just thought i'd bump this as i see it becoming more and more relevant lately... the ACRB acronym is becoming increasingly more common here at the nexus in replacement of MHRB. The general extractions section is a good example. acacia confusa import seems to be increasing at a rapid rate and it worries me that this plant is already on a doomed path like mimosa. people should think about this when they import... i think this is an important discussion that needs to be addressed, as there is no easy answer.

this could very well be a never ending game of whack a mole

i didn't become interested in extracting or chemistry until i researched spice could be extracted from other sources like acrb. fact that different plants and trees contain different ratios of alkaloids close to spice mean each one has their own unique spirit. I would like to meet them all. I tried plenty of mhrb spice, so want to explore this one, and the many others which are coming along. I have a huge interest in tikhal, would much rather without hard to get synths.

I really admire your attitude mike! this i share with you there's a lot of great spicey trees out there just waiting to meet you..

So it's legal to buy, in which EU countries?
Government can't do nothing about phalaris grasses which can grow even in cold climates and phalaris brachytachys could be best and fast growing DMT source.