Kazoo... wrote:It is thought by some that a bacteria that grows off the decaying wild Az./Cyan. mushrooms secretes a toxin that may cause this reaction. It is generally advised not to eat/harvest the ones that are have started to decay.
interesting. maybe....
I have picked and consumed allot of azures in my day. I know dozens of others who, once upon a time, picked and consumed. I have had many discussions with those others about this matter.
I have posted about this topic in the past here on the nexus as well as many times on the shroomery.
a couple of thoughts come to mind,
The paralysis seeems to build over time. Like a reverse tolerance of sorts.
The paralysis begins after about the 4th or 5th time,+ or -, consuming these mushrooms.
The paralysis comes on at first as a fatigue of sorts in the hands and forearms. After the first experience with the paralysis each experience there after the paralysis gets progressively worse.
IME it doesnt matter if you eat one gram or ten, the paralysis is the same.
after getting the symptoms in your forearms it moves to larger nuscles like the thighs and neck and eventually to the diaphragm.
I have had times where the psychedelic experience was over but the paralysis continued for hours afterwards.
My last Ps azurescens experience was the most memorable, I was lying on the floor in my house for eight hours. I couldnt walk and I couldnt control my saliva, lol, I was drooling on myself. I had trouble breathing also.
I threw in the towel after that one.
Never again....Never Ever!
This story is very typical for shroomers in the Astoria OR, Ft Canby WA areas.
I have two thoughts on why this could be occuring.
first, maybe its something in the substrate. Those Psilocybes have a very different habitat than most. They are on the coast often growing from the sand in the dune grass not to terribly far from the high water line.
second, this is a guess, based on information I received from state park police there has been a very serious eradication effort over the years by State Park officials. There are dozens of arrests at a couple of locations in the lower Columbia River every year for picking. There are signs around two of the parks that say NO MUSHROOM PICKING.
Has something been sprayed there to erradicate these fungus that may be getting people sick?
I have never heard the bacteria theory. I have gotten the paralysis from perfectly fresh specimens.
one more note here, I transferred some mycellium from the location the OP is referring to, to a location 200 miles north east and successfully grew a nice patch the next year. I did eat some of those Azures and had no issues at all. The substrate was hard wood, but it was different than what they normally eat on the coast.
My guess is its not a bacteria, but its the substrate, just a guess.
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