~* Hello everyone. starting off by excusing my grammar ahead. ok so today i had my first experience and it did not go well.so i read the fourms and thought id use the vape as my tool of choice. it was 2 of us so i went first..i was kind of anxious and a bit nervous primarily because of the intensity of the experiences i have read,my heart was pounding before i even took the hit. when i took the first long full pull i held for about 15 seconds, while i was holding it my hands became sweatier and colder than before and as i let go i felt my body tingle. I went for the second long pull and held it in for about 10 seconds before i felt completely sick. i became nauseated and felt as i were going to pass out. i saw the room starting to change as if the walls had more depth and became sort of alive. sick to my stomache though i ran to the bathroom to make myself barf. i thought the reason for me reacting like this was cause of my empty stomache so i went out and grabbed something to eat and came back 2 hours later and tried again still anxious and a bit nervous with the same results. my friend had sort of the same reaction and was also a bit nervous and i saw his face loose color from nausea. can anyone maybe explain if this is due to fear or maybe the spice is not pure? if so then what would cause this reaction?. dosage was between 40-60mg (cant be sure since scale only reads G.) apreciate any reply. thx *~

Did you extract spice your self ? Read this before you answer my question.

If your spice is not pure then I would strongly advise you not to use it anymore. Also it is always good thing to start with lower doses before you try more. Maybe 10-15mg ?

~* yes i did extract the spice myself. it is mostly white with a faint taint of yellow. *~

~* also yea i guess i should start at a lower dosage. *~

*<{=I would also suggest getting acquainted with lower dosages, maybe meditate beforehand to calm your mind and lower heart rate. Also, what's with the squiggles either side of the text?=}>*

~* its a way of knowing its me i guess kinda like my signature. I tried meditating but my friends neighbors were playing music so loud shaking the walls, hard to conmcentrate on breathing for sure next time =) and on the dosage acquanted will do. By the way,is the spice suppost to have a smell? How long to leave the spice to dry after filtration from NPT? Sorry for all the questions i guess i didnt do all my homework =p *~

*<{=Ok, cool, well I hope you don't mind me copying! (highest form of flattery dontchaknow ).

Personally, I would wait until the neighbours were quiet as that would provide less external stimuli to distract me from the content of the trip.

Yes DMT does have a smell, kind of like a mix between new trainers and flowers. If it smells of the solvent, you need to let it dry out more, or perform a recrystalisation to get any trapped solvent out. I would avoid smoking any more until you are sure it's solvent free.=}>*

"Personally, I would wait until the neighbours were quiet as that would provide less external stimuli to distract me from the content of the trip."

^ Was thinking the exact same thing Purges.

Also, from my personal experience it sounds like it is working. When I have too little or if I'm being a dumbass and just having teeny bits to get "high" (not anymore, now I wait until I am ready to hammer it into my lungs) then I would always get that mild body feeling accompanied by breathing walls and a lil' sickish.

Judging by the amount you smoked, and the effects both you and your friend achieved, I would assume there is something not quite 100% effective with your method of administration.

You say you used a "vape" not sure what that is exactly but maybe you should try a different method?

And yes dose in smaller amounts. So when you achieve the "breathing walls" effect on that say for example 15mg dose you know you are better at vaping and then you can really go for it! Just be careful... hahaha.

Let us know and good luck!

The only time I feel nauseous is when I take an insufficient dose (or when I used to use a traditional pipe, when it burned). Are you sure you vaped it correctly and absorbed the whole dose?

For me there is no middle or lower end to spice usage. If I took the advice that many give to start off low I probably wouldn't have bothered with more than a couple of misfires as the nausea and discomfort is far too difficult for me to tolerate. We are all different though.

My feeling is that if you correctly vaped 40-60mg your walls would no longer exist, let alone have more depth or be more alive. I need 30mg+ in the GVG and 40mg is not an easy or comfortable experience, in fact I will probably take some weeks to get over it.

^ like he said you may be burning the spice.

Id like to hear how you vape it , what is your technique and what pipe are you using for that.

If you use a proper technique with proper tool and right amount of spice everything will be different.

PS: you need to sort your neighbor out

I often get nausea from smoking low doses, but I can usually also feel my bowels move. I've had several low-dose experiences where I had to run not to crap my pants.

However, I've also noticed it could be related to the way you inhale. I used to swallow smoke because I tried to be as efficient in getting all the vapor in. The would cause massive discomfort and nausea, perhaps this is happening to you.

I would just like to add that I am not telling anyone to go out and take massive doses, just that for some (like me) actually a low dose can be an issue in itself. If I am dosing anyone for the first time I go for 25mg as this seems to have been reliable amongst those I have worked with. You won't die from a slightly bigger than necessary dose, but you may have a lot more integration to do after.

This is why you always empty your bowels / bladder before a smoalk

~* wow i woke up to alot of help . Puerges of course i dont mind and yes i am a bit flattered stop it . i like the way u described the smell as soon as i smelled it after reading it hit me it does smell like flowers lol. i kept smelling it last night trying to put my finger on the familiar smell. new trainers though? joking right? must be all that hard work you put into your yeild trpping down into it =p.
Is there a link anyone can share to Recrystalisation? just to make sure. no worries about the neightbor and music i think itl be elseweres house next time. Vape as in vaporizer only wits i could get GvG. Im certain i administered correctly concidering the vapor was thick and harsh but its the sick feeling that didnt let me hold it any longer. i felt if i did i would pass out or vomit while coughing(when i get nausea i cough sort of a reaction to not wanting to throw up). Maybe should try a lower dosage to get comfterble then up it to find out if i have the same problem as DIB though i highly dought it,i cant immagine taking a thicker clound of vapor. ill try diffrent method though i have read that vaporizing it means u obsorb more of the spice?

As for the burning of the spice is not possible as thats what i always pay attention to when putting anything on the vape including le reefer . Also, i inhale as if i would smoking le reefer but emptying my lungs completly and filling em up slowly(not to slow) so the vape has time to produce more vapor from the spice. Also question. How long should one let crystals out to dry for after filtering? *~

Correctly vaped DMT is not harsh in the slightest, at most it may induce a bit of a tickle. Even very large doses I often wonder whether if I have taken in any vapour unless I actually watch it fill the chamber. Is it possible your vapourizer is just too hot?

~* perhaps it is too hot. I put it on the highest temp because i have read of people missing their shot because it would not vaporize fast enough because of the low temp. though i make sure none of it is actually burning. sorry By harsh i dont mean burning harsh on the throat its more of the taste condensed in the thick smoke feels like im inhaling healium or something best way i can describe it is like a minty smoke. *~

first time i smoked about 30mg incorrectly the smoke was harsh, my lungs suffered and had an uncomfortable trip followed by dry retching over the toilet. I believe this is because i overheated the spice and possibly didn"t wait long enough for the naphtha to completely evaporate.
I bought a vapour genie and like d*l*b says i can not notice whether i am inhaling anything apart from air, it is that smooth. 20mg one puff lie back, jobs a good un.

It does indeed sound like it is far too hot, as said it is actually pretty comfortable if done properly. The only really noticeable thing is a slight warmth and a mild spice taste.

Try turning the vape to a much lower setting, it really doesn't need much heat at all.

~* will deff lowe temp significantly next time ill keep that feeling in mind DIB. btw guys should i use "SWIM" when i speak instead of "i"? sorry im new to forums in general o.0 again i apreciate any and all replys you guys are aw-some *~

^^^man, that feeling is terrible... i've done the same several times, it's to be avoided...



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