I'll be performing Q21Q21's tek #2 white fluffy funfest very soon. I have a few questions about your experience with it as well as the materials I'll be using.

for reference: Q21Q21's Tek #2: The White Fluffy Funfest

mats:
I have all the materials. Can you check my list to make sure I have the correct materials? I'm really only need to make sure that my lime and vinegar will work fine, but it could help if someone checked over the rest of the list real fast.

* Lady's Choice Distilled White Vinegar
* Mrs. Wages Pickling Lime - amazon shows a different picture than the what my product looks like but they appear to be the same nevertheless
-distilled water
-VM&P naphtha
-bark powder
-glass measuring cup & scale
-chopsticks
-play card, razor blade, coffee filter
-small glass baking tray
-glass mixing container
-large metal bowl that glass mixing container fits into

questions to those have performed the tek:
1) who else has done q21q21's tek #2? was there anything that specifically did not like about this tek?

2) what parts of this tek do you consider the hardest (if any), or what parts should one be most cautious with I guess? are there any other things you can recommend for me to watch out for?

3) is there anything I should do differently from q21's tek? (I'm stubborn so unless you provide real good reasoning for doing something different than what q21's tek says to do, I won't do it, but I'd like you to convince me otherwise if you think otherwise)

That pickling lime doesnt look like the new packing i've seen either. You're probably fine.
Here's a picture from Mrs Wages: http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/mrswages_2227_41041338

I found about 150g of soup fits perfectly in a Mason Jar after all the ingredients are added.

I used HDPE plastic spoons to stir the mix, I can't imagine using chopsticks to mix the mixture as it gets pretty thick with the Lime.

DO NOT take mason jars from room temperature to boiling water instantly, it will shatter, you need to slowly bring the temperature up.

Pyrex 3 or 6-cup leak proof containers are amazing for freeze precip as they are pretty cheap and they help a ton with odor in the freezer.

check my thread here

1) I love this tech! I am never doing an a/b extraction ever again. This way is way cleaner, environmentally safe compared to lye, and it produces the cleanest crystals with the highest yields compared to the shit I get from an a/b.

2)The hardest part is getting the consistency right.

3) Follow the rules to the letter. It is important to use a specific amount of bark so that you can keep track of how much you are expecting out of it. The pickling lime can be used in large amounts if needed. It is possible to use too little pickling lime, but you won't go wrong using too much. I usually get my root bark exactly measured and then add pickling lime to get consistency and then later to get more results when it appears that it is done giving. Works every time!

Yep, that's the pickling lime I have. I went to a super walmart today and got the rest of materials except for a spoon to stir the mix like you recommend. I have a 5-set of strong non-disposable bamboo chop sticks, but I'll definitely get a back up spoon like you said. How do you know if a spoon is HDPE plastic? (maybe I'll even find a glass spoon or some sort of mixer if I can't find HDPE plastic) I was checking plastic containers at another walmart a couple weeks ago and I didn't find one plastic container that said HDPE on the bottom or anywhere on it. Instead of buying a mason jar, I bought a bigger cookie style jar with a lid and I bought the pyrex glass tray that you recommended because it was at the super walmart as well, definitely my first 100% successful walmart run




oh hell yea, don't why I didn't find this when using the search function but I'll definitely be using your thread.


thanks so much for the advice. one question though, isn't q21q21's tek an a/b extraction? or is it not? i was under the impression it was.

Ill post when I get home on a computer. I used vodsels version of the q21q21 Tek. Check it out

As I understand it yes it is. You use an acid (vinegar) then a base (lime), therefore, A/B. But this isn't the first time I've heard someone claim that it's not, I'm not sure where the confusion comes from.

I used this tek for my first (and only) extraction, seems good to me!

Yes I apologize you are right it is still a a/b in every aspect. When I said a/b I just meant the extraction that uses lye and is all liquid. To clarify, I really like how this tech is a dry tech, the cleanup is way easier, you don't have to worry about exploding jars or getting on your hands. It is just a much safer, much cleaner, and much funner way to do an extraction. Plus as I mentioned, I never got pure white crystals until I started doing this dry tech. Sorry for the confusion!

The tek works great just follow to the letter and all will be well..
Glad your doing your own extraction, it is simple and clean.
Goodluck and enjoy. a friend i know has used it a few times and had great luck everytime.
P.s..... do not let the water get too hot around 115 to 120 degrees

Vodsels Q21 version

This is the version of Q21 that I used.

The difference are (and I'm sure I'll miss something) The bark/vinegar sit for a few days first, you do an acid cook rather than just using hot water to heat the bark and acid (this takes 2 hours) and with this tek you let the bark/vinegar/lime sit for 4 hours after mixing it. Which brings you to the desired consistency through natural evaporization WITHOUT using an oven.

I prefer this method by far. It was super easy and I like the idea of doing the acid cook.

If you plan on going with the traditional way or smokerx's way thats fine too, and you should receive the same quality/quantity from those version as well.

I used a funnel with a coffee filter to "strain" the solvent into the precip bowl. It helps keep any bark out of your precipitation mixture.

hope that helps

I never use the acid step and I don't heat up my mixture and without fail I get about 1.5-2% yield everytime w/o fail. This tech is simply the best that I've come across.

you get the fluffy white funfest without the acid step?

Indeed. It is as white as the driven snow it always brings much much joy to my life. Yeah, I omit the acid step. Some people might say it effects the yields but I have not observed this myself. The percent yields I posted previously are my accurate honest results without the use of the acid step. Root bark + water (very small amount) + pickling lime and stir for half an hour then add naptha stir for another half an hour and that's pretty much it for me and It never fails me.

nice!!!

Weird, that would mean the acid bit is not necessary step to do.

Id like to hear opinion from chemist, anyone ?

Well I said in an earlier post that a lot of people say that the bark is itself already pretty acidic. So in theory, just adding base is technically going from acid to base. I've done it both ways and don't see a real big difference in my yields.

Go with a dryer consistancey. More lime will not hurt so add enough until you get what you're looking for. There is less solvent loss.

thanks everybody for responding. sorry I am so late to respond, I was out of town and am back and will be thoroughly going through everybody's posts and links here (anrchy). Very interesting, somethingsintheway... makes sense though. I already have the vinegar so I will be doing that anyway. I will make sure use enough lime.

Thanks binary drool, I will make sure to go with a dryer consistency. This is only done thru adding more lime, right?

Sorry for the double post but it's about to snow here soon and was wondering how does one store the used naphtha for the next pull? Do you just do your next pull when you are done recrystallizing? (that way you don't need another container to save the used naphtha in, presuming you don't use new naphtha for the pulls after)

I'd say evaporate your naptha after all your pulls are done (I believe this is mentioned in the tek.) The reason is you can get some jimjam and/or jungle spice out of it this way in addition to your fluffy spice. I ended up getting 3 grades of spice from my Q21Q21: white crystals, orange/brown crystals, and brown goo. All of them were active.

Also as I understand it, it's not much good to reuse the naptha unless it was a pretty small batch, because it gets saturated with alkaloids and fats etc. at a certain point and won't hold any more, so it's better to use fresh stuff each time.

Edit: oh, sorry I think I misread your question.. you want to know how to store it between pulls? A glass jar with a lid should be fine. But why are you re-xing between pulls? Collect all you can, then recrystalize it all at once.