Hello nexians

I got two question, sorry if it's allready on the board but this is the first time i try to make changa and i don't want to do something wrong.

My first question is about the MAOI interactions. Should i be carefull about what i eat and what i drink like it should be done when taking ayahuasca ?

My second question is : I got myself some 20x blue lotus extract and pure harmine.

Was it a good idea to take the 20x ? and how much harmine should i use for 2g of 1:1 changa?

Thank you for your time and help.

Nobody to help me on this ?

Can't help wit the other things but you definitely don't need to do the diet for changa.

What kind of dosage of harmine are you using? Either way, harmine is a reversible MAOI, so diet shouldn't be a huge problem, but I would recommend watching what you eat four hours before and maybe two afterwards for the best experience, especially in higher dosages.



I, personally, wouldn't have gone with the 20x blue lotus extract, just because I like more mellow experiences. Is the 1:1 referring to 1 part blue lotus to 1 part DMT or 1 part blue lotus to 1 part harmine?

Ok thanks for your advice.


I planned to use 1g dmt with 1g of blue lotus and add 100mg of harmine.

Does the blue lotus change the experience a lot ?

I'm not sure, hahaha. Remember, however, that chemically, you're doing a 1:20 ratio of dmt to blue lotus, so tone it down if that seems too high for you.

Edit: When I meant I like more mellow experiences, that's just my way of saying I prefer more natural experiences: I'd definitely familiarize myself with the herb more before doing such a high extract. That's just me though, honestly, and my views are probably a little wacky. I'm sure you'd have a successful time doing it your way, to be honest.

Yea i definitly will try the extract by itself before ehanced it.

Thank you.


Another question,
I've made some math : 2g of 1:1 dmt with 100mg of harmaline should give 2,5mg by doses approximatively, is far less than in a ayahuasca potion, and it's smoked. is the pharmacology different when MAOI is smoked ?

I really want to be sure about this because i'm sarting a thread on changa on a different forum (psychonaut) and i need all information about any risk.

you should definitely put more harmalas for 1 g of dmt. the buzz the harmalas give, and the prolonged afterglow are nice imo. treshold dose for smoking should be 30 or 40 mg.

Ouch that much really ? did you see i speak about 95% pure harmaline anot not just harmalas ?

well, to each their own. have you tried vaping the pure harmine on its own ? it will have inhibitory properties even at 15 mg, but i am not sure how much you will get from its own psychedelic properties at that range. try smoking 20-30 mg of harmine first and see how you react on it, if you havent tried it already.

some time ago i took arround 80 mg of purified harmine on its own and it was definitely a deep experience, and it lasted a good hour.on second thought 40 mg is maybe not a threshold dose, but not at the psychedelic range also imo.

I come back with more question.

I just got my harmine today and it's in hcl form.
Do you know if it's soluble in acetone and can be used for changa ?
Also i know smoking salt is not really the healtier thing but is it doable ? anf if not can i freebase the stuff ?

hcl cant be smoked. it needs to be freebased with a base. you can however ingest it orally/sublingually and then smoke your pipe (or eat the spice)