Hey guys, after finally having my first glowing experience with Changa after numerous attempts the other night I'm getting a little disillusioned and frustrated. It took 3 bowls of 60mg each of 1:1 Changa to get there.

I tried again the night after and in 3 attempts couldn't get anywhere near. It actually felt more like a "burnt DMT trip". I'm sure those that have burnt DMT by accident will know what I'm talking about. Hazy weak visuals that don't really amount to anything. I share my Changa with friends and they do half the doses I do and trip nicely, using the same smoking method. I can't figure out what's going wrong.

Apart from that 1 experience that I mentioned above, it's been extremely disappointing. I thought maybe that was just the way it was supposed to be and I would need to smoke a lot to get to where I want to be but then Tattvamasi commented on a post I made the other night about my glowing experience.

I said that smoking 60mg of 1:1 Changa is not like smoking 30mg of DMT and he said that actually it is if it is done correctly. My first bowl of 60mg of Changa does very little to me CEV wise, when actually it should be doing a whole lot. So something isn't right.

I'm trying to figure out what it is that could be the issue, I'm using a small water bong -

I'm careful to only light the Changa briefly and get a cherry going and then inhale slowly. I've tried with torch and regular lighter and it makes no difference.

My changa is quite powdery, maybe bigger leaf pieces would burn more effectively?

33% of my Changa is powdered caapi vine. Maybe this is affecting it as it probably doesn't smoke very well.

I'm baffled, everyone else I've shared it with has amazing trips and loves it. I'm just left with mostly mild effects. I have no problems having strong trips with the equivalent amounts of freebase, or even less for that matter.

Can anyone shed any light or have any ideas what could be going wrong?

Much love

I'm getting most of it in 1 hit with a little left behind for the 2nd. I'm not counting how long I hold each hit in for but I'd guess for around 10-15 seconds.

I'm using a small water pipe and torch lighter. I have also tried with normal lighter.

I guess I should try getting it all in 1 hit and holding for as long as I can.

Can't think what else it could be. I've just made another batch without the vine this time, and not ground it up to powder, left bigger chunks of leaf.

Will see if that makes a difference.

Yeah that is weird how your reply has been turned into the subject. Maybe it will correct itself

Hi MachineElf88,

How long are you holding in each hit for? 15+ seconds?
How much of the dose are you inhaling in a single hit? Full dose? Half dose?

In my experience you must inhale as much as you can as quickly as possible, then hold it in for 15+ seconds. Finishing the dose in 1 hit is ideal and inhaling greater than 3 hits you may run into some issues. The rest of your method seems alright as described (though I have no experience w/ a caapi vine blend) but I heard no mention of how long each inhale was held in for. What smoking/vaporizing method are you using?

The FAQ section on DMT Usage/Methods of administration is always good to double check too. You can find alternative smoking/vaporizing methods as well as other useful tips to keep in mind.

Are you applying too much heat? I've had this problem occur with my friends because they hold the lighter too close and for too long.

for me 2 hits is enough to break
and i guess im holding them for about 20 sec's
but i think it really depends on how potent your mix is

I was thinking of switching to my GVG for Changa but then I had an idea -

The ceramic filter for my GVG fits perfectly into the glass smoking bowl of my water bong.

Gonna try using that. Seems like a foolproof method, that way I cannot overheat. I get the heat protection of the filter plus the more pleasurable cooling of the smoke aspect of the water in the bong. And of course I don't stink up my GVG with Changa. I'm sure this would work with freebase as well.

I'll post results