just wondering if there has been any analysis on the alkaloid profile of psychotria viriditis? Does anybody here extract from this plant? if so what is the extract like and have you had it tested?

I actually just received mine in the mail, but only after doing quite a bit of research. From what Ive read DMT seems to be the only psychoactive alkaloid present in the plant. As far as extracting goes it seems to be impractical considering the amount of material youd have to use in order to get any tangible results. You should just try brewing some aya. Thats what I plan to do with my chacruna once it matures.
If youre looking for an alternative to MHRB I would suggest acacia confusa. From the research Ive done it seems to have the highest alkaloid content next to mhrb.

ah ok. nah not considering extracting I don't have access to the plant here and theres plenty of good acacia here which has meant i've never needed to use mhrb....was just wondering people's experience with the extract though as you never hear of anyone really using chacruna for anything other than oral brews and i've never heard of someone smoking chacruna extract. I've heard people say it only contains dmt as the alkaloid but i haven't read any further analysis...i remember reading the same about an acacia here though I have doubts that dmt is the only alkaloid as it feels like there could be something else in there... plants seem to vary in differen't seasons/time of day.

doesn't chacruna leaves contain 0.3% dmt though? to me that doesn't really seem like an impractical amount at all being that one could potentially extract a gram of dmt from 300 grams of dried leaves and it would just require a little patience to accumulate said amount. acacia phyllodes (like leaves) are often extracted from over here from plants with the same percentage alkaloid as chacruna.. more material is just needed and its far more sustainable than using any rootbark. anyways.. not meaning to sway people from using them for ayahuasca or anything.. was just interested as I have not once ever heard of people smoking the extract from chacruna and it would be interesting to see analysis of extract.

I've never tried extracting from chacruna, but I've considered it since it's still pretty easy to get compared to MHRB, and I've already got a bunch. And like you said it's more sustainable, I could grow a hedgerow of the stuff and have plenty of material to work with much sooner than waiting for a mimosa tree to mature. Just not sure what the best tek to use would be.

However, I HAVE smoked the leaves, either plain or infused with extra DMT, and just made a new batch that also has harmalas added. For some reason it's never included in any changa recipes that I've seen, but it's not bad!

Do you really get an effect from smoking chacruna leaves? Never tried it, but from what I've read it doesn't work.

I'm sure it would take a whole lot of unenhanced leaf to get any strong effects, if it's possible at all. But it's still a pretty effective substitute for giving up smoking MJ! Satisfies that whole smoking ritual thing, just like any smokable herb would I suppose. It's just what I happened to have around when I was quitting. And even unenhanced it also works great for making freebase DMT sammiches!

Yeah...wouldn't recommend smoking leaves, seems like a waste.

acolon_5 said:


In regards to OP. While DMT does make up 99% of Psychotria Viridis alkaloid content, there is also NMT and some beta-carbolines in it.

I suppose whether it's a waste to smoke it depends on how precious it is to you for other uses. IMO, when you've got a pound of it sitting around for a year not getting used for anything else, sparing a couple of grams really isn't much of a waste. Especially to help give up an unhealthy addiction. My wife smoked damiana and catnip when she was quitting cigarettes, is that a waste too? I guess our cat might have thought so. Seems like it's just a question of perceived value. Is a gram of chacruna worth more than all the money I've saved not buying MJ since then? Or the peace of mind that giving it up has brought me? Or just being able to dream again for the first time in years? I can't see how.

normal A/B would work fine. If it has a lot of chlorophyll and fats/oils then instead of defatting before basing, you could just pull the dmt, and then salt it out of the solvent and rebase and pull. then none of that would be an issue and you'd pull crystal just like with any other source

yeah i like the idea of making a changa of chacruna and caapi vine to keep it pretty ayahuasca-like. extract the dmt from the chacruna and the harmalas from the vine, then soak the two back onto chacruna leaves and caapi leaf/vine. It'd be like pulling the plant of its contents and then reimbuing

i hope somebody tries this! I wish i had some chacruna

acolon_5 said:


i don't understand... doesn't dmt always occur in plants in its salt form? its the extraction that turns it into a freebase. or if you are referring to smoking the fresh plant material the flame should be able to heat the salt enough anyway...its just the salt actually would require a bare hot flame unlike the freebase? Somebody please correct me if i'm wrong...I've smoked dmt containing acacia phyllodes and gotten light effects that feels just like a mild dmt dose. extracting from psychotria would be exactly the same as any other dmt containing plant you'd just wanna defatt it thoroughly and preferably do the double A/B method. I hadn't heard of there being beta carbolines in it... must be trace amounts though otherwise people would drink the leaves on their own

In regards to the quote by acalon_5 ... whats "too little" about 0.3% dmt? thats a great percentage for leaves! or again.. are you talking about smoking. I assumed at first you were talking about extracting

I don't really know what some of that means, but I'll look into it for sure. All I've done so far is a q21q21 extraction, but that's A/B right?



I like that idea too, really not sure why it isn't more common. If there's really "plant spirits" involved in this like some believe, it seems like this combo would make them happy. There's a changa mix called "ayhuasca android" that comes close, but it uses chaliponga instead of chacruna, and according to the "poorly understood aya" thread it seems like nobody is really even sure what "chaliponga" actually IS! I fully intend to try the same 50-50 mix using chacruna instead ASAP. Just recieved my caapi vine and leaf last week, now I'm just lacking the DMT! If I extracted 1/4 lb of my viridis, that should give me something like .3 of a gram right?

I think q21q21 is more of an stb (straight to base) ?.. i haven't used it before though i've only briefly read the tek. well basically with acid/base you boil the plant material in acidic water instead of just adding the base straight to it. the advantage in this is that you can pull out any unwanted plant fats or oil that would prevent crystalisation before you basify the solution. Or you could even defat the pull from an stb by mixing with vinegar or with ph 4 water and then rebasing and extracting again.. the fats shouldn't really be much of an issue regardless of what tek and what plant you use... extra steps may be required is all

You shoud definitely do it! .. and report your experiences back ...I've not smoked an extract with chacruna that i know of.. though with extracts mainly soaked into harmala imbued caapi leaf I have had some profound experiences with what seemed at the time to be the spirit of an amazonian shaman. at first i had no doubt that it was a shamans spirit that had been called by the plants in the changa.. but after having many more experiences I've realised dmt can be anything you make it to be, and can kinda adapt its visions culturally for you... and that may well be what happened. I'd been reading pablo amaringo a lot before blasting off. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the spirits did have something to do with their discovery of ayahuasca.. it does seem like an unlikely combination with the many millions of plant species in the amazonian pharmacy

Oh ok, thanks for the info. Q21Q21 (tek 2) does use an acid step before adding the base, but if I remember right the vinegar was just mixed right into the dry bark powder rather than boiling it, so maybe it's not a real A/B or something. I'll do more research on the options before trying anything. I'm definitely curious if the DMT extracted from viridis would have any different qualities than extract from MHRB. Have you noticed any differences in the final product between Mimosa DMT and Acacia? Or is Acacia all you've worked with?

oh ok.. i didn't realise that. Yeah the acid helps draw the dmt out of the plant.

Yeah used both... i mainly use acacia though because it grows here. I've noticed a huge difference in mimosa hostilis extract to acacia extracts... to me they have completely differen't personality. There are definite similarities that dmt will always carry, but it does feel distinctly differen't in my experience. I believe each plant has its own wisdom to give, and that may differ from plant to plant. To me its not just as simple as "dmt is dmt and the experience only changes according to you"... to me that is partly true but not entirely. to me dmt is as much as your willing to let in.. so if you believe in plants having a consciousness or spirit, then there's no reason why you can't meet the spirit/aura/consciousness of a plant. if your closed to the concept, then you probably never will. your the achitect of your own reality and i think the dmt experience reflects that in many ways.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your take on it!

To a non-chemist layman like myself, it would seem like once you extract something down to being pure n,n-dmt, that's the only chemical left and one type should be the same as another. But then again in homeopathy, they dilute substances down so far there's not even a single molecule of the original substance left, but the water is supposed to somehow still carry the original "essence" of whatever it started off as. So who knows! I'm more than willing to take the word of those who are more experienced than myself, that's why I'm here!

So do you actually prefer the acacia DMT experience to the mimosa? Or are they pretty much equivalent but just different?

Kind of off topic, but in the most recent episode of Red Dwarf, the crew goes back in time and meets "Jesus", who makes a comment about smoking some "Bark from the Acacia tree". I got a kick out of that.

Chacruna presents some difficulties compared to MH when attempting an extraction. While betacarbolines and others seem to be present in trace amounts only, the alkaloid concentrations are variable, and reportedly there is a significant proportion of DMT oxide which is not as clean to work with as DMT freebase. Plus there is the chlorophyll, so a serious defat step would be necessary. Research papers report using a methanol soak for gas chromatography separation, but I cannot find information about the form of N,N-DMT present in the leaves.

A note on Q21Q21 - the tek does require an acid cook, with or without a previous vinegar soak. And please correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAIK the point of the acidification phase is not only allowing for a defat process if desired, the acid cook also helps to break down the cell walls of the plant material through osmosis, which can improve the effectiveness of the extraction. In cases where the base used is not as strong as NaOH, such as in Q21Q21 with lime, the breakdown of the cells relies partially on that acid cook.

well.. i dunno if i could say i prefer it. my journeys have evolved quite a lot since i began exploring. They are equally as powerful for sure-still share in common the ruthless beauty that dmt is capable of. I guess the dmt experience started to make more and more sense once I tried the acacia extract later on, though i'd say that was because i'd evolved since earlier trips.

I have always just felt a differen't teaching presence to the acacia for some reason and for quite a while i was always getting the same entity taking its time to heal me. Then in the past year i've been using a differen't acacia and have been consistently getting this divine and i must say pretty babin' female being.. .. i think if i had kept smoking mimosa i would have formed just as much of a relationship with it though-so i dunno if i would say i prefer it as both are equally profound and mindblowing.. but i know the acacia a lot better than mimosa and i spend a lot of my time around them-so i have a deeper relationship with them i guess.

Hehe thanks for the fact! It seems very likely that the acacia tree has been used for its dmt in the past.. there's so many differen't species of acacia out there and more and more are steadily being discovered to have alkaloids

thanks for the info too vodsel.. i wasn't aware about the varied concentrations and the large percentage of dmt oxide...that would make it a lot harder to work with. do you know if there is any info on times of day or season that it may have higher tryptamine content? i know over here the acacias are generally lower during flowering and after heavy rain.. it does rain a lot in the amazon, though chacruna would have much differed growing needs as well. people don't seem to have too much trouble though with using phyllodes over here for extractions..
what do you think about salting the alkaloids out of the solvent? the acidic solution shouldn't pull any chlorophyl if its not heated.

I don't know about harvest times. The wiki mentions that alkaloid content is higher in the morning (and that agrees with other cases like Phalaris, peaking in tryptamines in the early morning) but I have no idea about optimal season for harvesting.

Also, I should say that, after double checking, the presence of N-oxide it's NOT that clear. Check this thread with some notes about chacruna extraction posted by endlessness, who is by all means a more reliable source than my scattered notes.

thanks Vodsel

before i knew anything about anything i decided to stb chacruna. and well so far, its freeze precipitating and i am seeing crystals form everywhere a day in... um ima give it another day then re post here what is in there i mean i heard it wasnt suposed to work but i see xtals forming? they seem to melt really quick at room temp but i havnt given it enough time 2 really see