I'm very hurt and frustrated right now.

Earlier this evening I drank the brewed equivalent of 50 grams of B. caapi and after waiting 30 minutes drank about 4 grams of MHRB. I purged almost immediately (20 minutes, tops) so I drank the same amount again after my stomach settled and after 2 hours I feel absolutely nothing. Not a single thing. I spent a considerable amount of time and energy preparing and poured a lot of myself into this brew, not only during the brewing process but prefacing it by studying Aya for years. Apparently I've failed miserably and I have no idea why.

Could it be that I didn't boil the brews on high enough heat? I noticed throughout brewing that both were bubbling consistently, but not as much as if I'd kept the heat on a medium-high setting (I used low-medium). It was smoking and bubbling the entire time though. I kept both brews filled with plenty of water and had to add more several times as it'd boil off fairly quickly.

The end result was a murky tan-orange-peach colored B. caapi brew and a distinctly purple-red-brown MHRB brew. Compared to all the photos I've seen my brews looked good to go. I even drank some sediment on purpose, knowing I'd definitely purge, just to ensure I digested as many alkaloids as possible.

What could I have done wrong?

I'm very sad; the time seemed so right and my set and setting have never been more perfect, almost as if the stars had aligned for this moment, but apparently it was all in my head.

Don't be so sad, stuff like this happens for good reasons usually

....50 grams is too small a dose to work for me personally. I have heard there is caapi out there that is strong enough to work at 50 grams and I believe there may well be.... but I have never yet encountered it and I have taken ayahausca over 200 times.

I would suggest adding some syrian rue next time. I find that the addition of rue in no way takes away from the power of the vine but only adds to it.

I'm sorry to hear your first foray into the world of aya didn't work out.

I'm guessing the 50g may have been a little on the weak side and didn't inhibit you fully. You might try shooting for 60-75 next time to start with, and keep extra handy. The caapi should hit in about 20 mins; you will def know when it does, if you are not feeling it take more. Then when you feel the caapi hit drink the mimosa with another gulp of caapi to help it down.

It's very common even if everything was done perfectly for the brew not to work at first, some say she has to clean you out first to make you ready. Don't know how much truth there is to that, but persistence definitely pays off in this realm. Keep playing with the variables, you'll get there eventually.

edit: my suggestion in the other thread to start with 50g was to get a feel for the vine alone not to activate the light. I still advise getting to know the vine first and getting your "harmala legs" before venturing into adding the light.

Thanks for the kind feedback, genuinely put a smile on my face.

I took 100 grams of caapi by itself two nights ago to figure out what it felt like and better prepare myself. Even at that dose the effects were extremely mild, which got me wondering about whether I had done something wrong during the brewing process. The caapi brew produced very mellow, warm effects like being wrapped in a cocoon while my thoughts and feelings were being very very gently pulled away from my body. It was remarkably pleasant and comfortable, so much so that I fell into a deep sleep two and a half hours into the experience and awoke feeling fully revitalized.

I've always been the kind of person who requires at LEAST twice the amount of any given substance to "get somewhere". I've only smoked marijuana this past year, but during my experiments with MDMA, LSD, psilocybin, and a few LSD analogues I've always reported mild effects while my friends who consumed the same doses had profound trips.

Also, after 25-30 DMT smoking experiences below the barrier of blasting off I decided I was going to pack 50mg and hit the bowl until I could no longer perceive reality. I was knee deep in a beautiful LSD trip at the time (7 doses) and the breakthrough happened after the 8th rip. It took tremendous effort and extreme focus to get there but when I arrived I knew for sure I had blasted off - something I thought I had done before but that single experience proved me totally wrong. Once you blast off there's zero denying it's 100% different than any other level of a DMT experience, and I felt like I unlocked some sort of super power the rest of that day. /tangent

Anyway, all of that taught me to compensate but with Ayahuasca I felt it'd be different, so I took the recommended 50 grams for the full Aya journey. Next time though I'm going to start with 100 grams.

It's worth noting also that now, 3 hours later, I feel those slight caapi effects but that's it. I'm now almost certain my digestive system is so slow it just didn't have enough time to properly absorb the caapi brew.

I have 10 grams of "10x Syrian rue extract" that I was considering using to make Pharmahuasca but I'd rather use it for an Aya brew first. How much would you recommend brewing considering I typically need a lot more of something to feel its effects? Also is it possible to do a rue-only brew experience combined with MHRB brew? I have less than 100 grams of caapi left now so I may not even be able to try Aya for several more months, but if the Syrian rue will do the trick I'd really like to explore that space.

I'm glad to hear you did start with the caapi at first, it sounds like the 100g was enough for full inhibition. Absolutely, you can use the rue with the mhrb. If it really is 10x (a lot of stuff sold as 10x on the market isn't really that strong) you'll want to start around 100-200mg. Give that a try if you don't feel the warm fuzzy harmala'd state start pushing it up. With regular rue seed the typical dosage is 1-4g, being hard headed you might require in the 3-4 g range (300-400mg of true 10x). So find your sweet spot with that first then when you've got that dialed in go ahead and add the mhrb.

Hard headed... Is that a comment about my front-end, thinking mentality or about the inherent chemical make-up of my brain? Not trying to come off as offended or defensive, just genuinely curious. I've only ever met one other person like me who typically requires more of a substance and I've always wondered if that's actually a "thing" haha.

EDIT: The Syrian rue 10x I purchased comes from s*h*a*m*a*n*s*g*a*r*d*e*n if that makes any difference.

It's definitely a thing, not very common but I've read about others with similar issues and I'm starting to think I may fall in that category too. Are you an above-average size person by any chance?

I'm 6' 2" and 185 pounds, skinny overall with a slight flat-tire gut.

Ok just curious. I've researched it a bit and run across several "hard heads" in the 200-300+ lb range, but it's not always dependant on that.

Hard headed just in that you require more than your average person of these substances to "break open the head" as Daniel Pinchbeck put it. No offense intended of course. Some people require more and some less, I'm a soft head myself tend to need about half of what "normal" (whatever that is) people need to get me there.

I can't say I'm particularly familiar with that vendors rue extract. Like I say tho, go ahead and start with 100-200mg if you feel nothing go 300-400mg if still nothing start pushing it up to the higher doses, even a gram or two if necessary. Do work up slowly tho.

Did you decant the brew AFTER reducing? This is a mistake many people seem to make. 50g is enough for me to have some effects from caapi alone like a spinning sensation, faint visuals, auditory hallucinations...buit only IF i drink the sediment that occurs after reducing. Shake that bottle and gulp it down!

I made a point not to decant after reducing so that I'd have some sediment to digest. Unfortunately that made little difference at 50 grams of caapi, but at slightly over 100 grams and lying in my bed I definitely felt the spinning sensation. No visuals or hallucinations of any sort though.

This is of course all a learning experience; I was just very frustrated as I researched for dozens and dozens of hours and still managed to get nowhere. I realize now though that all I need is a 100 gram caapi dose and to wait about 45 minutes before ingesting the DMT admixture. The Syrian rue should help get me there as well.

Thanks everyone for your input. You've helped turn my into a !