Why don't you save it for that new cover page project they've got going on over at pedanticsciencedicks.com? I'm sure they'll appreciate the oversight and attention to quality control.

eh, already submitted.
there's much debate over bond angles and rotation.

electrostatic surface map, Van Der Waals radii (electron clouds).
the dashed lines are faintly visible in the rings, indicating aromaticity.

the lower one is colored by partial charge, with explicit hydrogens, in kekule notation.

(rendered in Accelrys Discovery Studio Visualizer 3.5)

well i do think its very cool to illustrate the energy of the molecule, and to show that most of the molecule is not even made of physical matter (am I correct in saying that? i thought i heard it somewhere). it kinda reminds me of how alex grey paints them in his hoffman and shulgin paintings.

That being said, that kind of detail would be rediculous to include in such a small peice, and it would totally disapear. So basically there is no point to this but to piss Art off, and thats not really cool. Lets all just take a fat rip and chill out, and get back to the art thats relevant to this awesome collaboration.

I'm perfectly chill, and everyone pisses Art off. that's his personality.
The difference between Grey's depiction and this one, is it's an algorithm-generated computation, like a fractal. more accurate with respect to intramolecular force fields, it's not an ideal, just a computation.


btw, matter is energy. so is antimatter.

Boink. This fourth work in oils has me losing favor with them if I'm honest, I simply can't be arsed to wait for them to dry. Anyway I did another layer today. Like so far? Yes no ?

Orion, have I told you how much I love you (and your work) lately?

Benz
How much of a pain is this app to install?...I had a quick squiz on their site but filling out forms to get a dload isn't really my thing...
seems like you need other soft too..
It would be a nice addition to my image soft collection and a good source of image info.
Running Win 7


@Orion
How big is your canvas?...you can always throw another medium on there if oils are a pain...Looks Ace

lol, well alright thats cool i spose, still relatively new here so I cant say ive gotten to know him yet.

now youre saying your illustration is a fractal? is it just too small to see the patterns? Now you really got my interest ive really been facinated by the fractal geometry of everythign lately. Im thinking that it would make sense that the fractal structure doesnt just apply to matter but energy and even consiousness as well.

thats lookin awesome orion! what do you use for the black base just acrylic paint?

Toka, I'm not saying that the image is a fractal, it's not. I was using the analogy that the
surface map generated used an algebraic algorithm, which is similar to how fractals are generated on computers. Force fields are commonly computed using a Monte Carlo algorithm.
some programs show them as rings projecting outward from a nucleus, which resembles some mandelbrot renderings.
oh yea...and scientists had recently elucidated that neural networks in the brain are fractal in nature, so it wouldn't be far-fetched to attribute the same to consciousness.

Cyb, it was a pain to install in linux, but on Windows 7, the install would be more seamless.

uhhh ok, lol. way over my head.

Fascinating link. I've suspected as much for some time, but I'm happy to hear my rampant speculation was backed up by some actual heavy lifting.

ok sorry to get off topic here but that article is awesome benzyme. If im understanding it correctly its exactly what I was thinkin, pretty cool. Isnt it cool that just opening all 3 of our eyes and trippin balls can often point us to the same discoveries as going thru countless years of studying complex theories and equations? Although it could be that the only reason that thought popped into my head is because these scientists had already gone thru all that work and introduced that idea into the collective subconsious years ago, and I just opened myself to it without knowing it. thanks for sharing that

Orion- love the new brightness and clarity. Sorry to hear about the drying time. Before you give up on oils, try alkyds (overnight cure).

Art- just to be fair to Benzyme, I did ask him for clarification- but all I asked was if, at the level of simplification in your image, the molecule could be flipped without seeing differences between the two sides.

Maybe in the wiki we could keep a file of accurate molecular models of entheogens. Lots of uses...

Sort of, before the latest stuff I used straight acrylic but I find it does not dry uniform and matte in large areas and can be kind of slick. Now I just take regular white gesso and mix black acrylic into that, you can use a lot less black and it dries evenly with a lot more grip to it.



EDIT: (inches) It's around 21''x23''. It's not really advisable to work acrylic over oil (which is a bummer for a lot of reasons).

Aw man you're making me blush



Absolutely, I still want to try them one day. I probably won't give up on oils entirely, I find them more useful for creating forms such as this one with no reference.

Looking good, Orion.

to your question: yes. flipping the molecule won't reveal any differences, as the molecule has no chirality (stereocenters).

i'm also working on a color surface map that highlights solvent accessibility

Alright Art, there ya go, straight from pedanticsciencedicks.com. You can flip the darn thing with impunity.

Thanks Benzyme!

Orion- you should be able to use alkyds over oils, they are compatible. Just go fatter (less solvent in the mix) with each successive glaze.