Hiyas!

So, first post here. I'll get to making an essay eventually, when I get into the sort of anally retentive mood that lets me focus on something for long enough to write it out

I'm a gardener, and tend to grow a lot of fruits and veggies and such, so I figured I might as well try to grow some Chacruna, since its legal to own. (It'll likely be somewhere in the neighborhood of half a year before they germinate, but I'm patient) Now, I know I can't just make tea from the leaves, you need an MAOI to orally activate it. I have passionflower, which I also recently planted figuring, oh, an MAOI that is also a tasty tea. However, what I'm reading now is that passionflower is rather weak as far as MAOIs go, and I might not get an effect.

Well, I've got plenty of time before my Chacruna makes enough leaves to do anything with anyway. So I figured I'd start getting advice.

Questions:
Can I extract enough MAOIs from passionflower to warrant using it for that purpose in an ayahuasca analog?

Is it better to make an ayahuasca analog, or to go through an extraction process to get free DMT from the chacruna?

If it is better to make an ayahuasca analog, what, if not passionflower, are some good, readily obtainable seeds, that I can grow into something with enough MAOIs in it? (also of note here, one with other uses would be good. I'm trying to rely less and less on Big Pharma and Big Farming, so I'm trying to grow as many useful plants as I can with as much utility as I can in a rather small apartment)

Information on the Wider Web on these things have been scant and contradictory, so I thought it might be best just to ask these questions directly instead of trying to get Google to make sense of them for me.

Anyway, thanks in advance for the help, this seems like it'll be a nice place to forum on.

-Sage

So, quick bump, questions still present.

hello, welcome to the Nexus

is there any chance you can try to grow some Ayahuasca, that would solve your problem

Hello and welcome Sage-Brush,

I would personally try to give Peganum Harmala seeds a go as well. Of course, having an established, mature Caapi plant would be great, but it is a very, very long run project. Peganum Harmala can be tricky to start, particularly with old seeds, but seed is easily available and it is an extremely cost effective plant that can deliver results quite soon. Plus it is arguably the best known source for betacarbolines per mass unit.

Unless you are in a cold, not sunny environment... but doesn't sound like it if you're a veggies gardener

Welcome to the Nexus Sage

What kind of passion flowers are you growing? Be sure to check out the Passifloras of Interest thread. Lots of great information in there on the active passion flowers.

Did I understand correctly that you're growing in an apartment and not outside?



Many people have tried to extract passionflower but usually without much luck. It takes a huge amount of plant matter and a lot of work.

As far as using it as an admixture, I don't have any first hand experience but it seems that it makes the visions much brighter and more colorful.




It would probably be a good bit of work to extract clean dmt from the chacruna but I haven't tried personally. It seems that brewing the chacruna the traditional way would probably be the preferred route but you could try both so you know for sure which method is right for you.



As Vodesel and 3rdI suggested, caapi is your best bet on the long term for self sustainability. It's not too hard to clone so you can have several vines in several places.

Syrian Rue is good for growing inside if you can get it to grow. It's known to be an invasive species in several parts of the world so please be aware of the environment if you plan on growing it outside. It's pretty easy to get them to sprout but much harder to keep the alive. Rue seeds are really cheap anyways and you don't need much to be effective. You can get them easily from most any Middle Eastern or Mediterranean grocery stores and it is usually called Esphand or Wild Rue. The official name is Peganum Harmala.

I hope this helps and please remember to check out the Wiki and FAQ as they are filled with massive amounts of great information.

Well, I'm in the Great Lakes region. I'm growing my plants inside in pots, and while I can keep them warmer than the outside temperature, I can't grow outside year round. My chacruna is in a pot, and I'm really hoping that I can keep the apartment warm enough for it to grow, but I'm not entirely confident in my ability to do that, the veggies are from more temperate climates, and I've grown them in the winter before, so I'm less concerned for them then for the tropical plants. The Chacruna can be grown in pots though, from what I understand, its like a tall bush. Whereas the Caapi vine is huge and woody and is practically a tree unto itself. While I would eventually like to have a space to grow some, I don't think I can do it currently. I'll look into the Peganum Harmala.