I have always had a great interest in Eastern philosophies and religions. I like to study them in my spare time, along with many other topics.
Recently I have been putting together some ideas that I would like to share, and hear your opinions on. These are not new ideas and I am sure they have been discussed here before.
But I would like to see if we can expand on them a bit. I value the knowledge, opinions and experience of this community. Sorry, this might get a little long, I am not that great at fleshing out my ideas.

Also, let me state. These are just some ideas I have been thinking about. I am not saying any of this is true, always just pondering the infinite possibilities.

DMT, Mediation and Enlightenment

The idea of Enlightenment, Transformation and Transcendence has been around for a long time. In the Eastern Traditions there are many ways of achieving it. Most are through forms of meditations, Yogas, Spiritual practices and devotions.

The belief that humans are plagued by suffering in the physical realm and that something better awaits us after transcendence is usually the goal of achieving enlightment, to escape the cycle of death and rebirth. So we can be rejoined with the Higher power, Nirvana, Brahman, Heaven, The Divine, Universal Consciousness, God, and The Absolute Or whatever you want to call it.

I am still a novice with DMT and Mediation but I have found some very interesting coincidences and similarities.

With a DMT breakthrough, we all know that if we are prepared to “let go” then we will most of the time, leave our bodies behind and become pure consciousness, spirit, soul, essence or whatever you want to call it.

(There will probably be a lot of “whatever you want to call its” because there are so many terms and words to describe the same thing across the board, and I want to be board here, you get the idea.)

In the Hindu religion, Moksha meaning liberation or release “to let loose, to let go”
Is the final extrication of the soul or consciousness from the reincarnation cycle and the bringing to an end of all the suffering involved in being subject to the cycle of repeated death and rebirth.
Moksha is seen as a final release from this illusion when one's worldly conception of self is erased and there takes place a loosening of the shackle of experiential duality, accompanied by the realization of one's own fundamental nature being true consciousness and experience which is ineffable and beyond sensation. Moksha is defined as the loving, eternal union with God and considered the highest perfection of existence.
It is said to be achieved in many ways through different yoga’s of meditations but ultimately through non-duality self-realization. It is said to burn off all your karmas “good and bad” therefore,
Releasing you from the cycle reincarnation.

Is this not familiar? For me it as a lot of similarities to a DMT breakthrough, “God-head”, “Ego loss” experience etc.

I am still just a novice at mediation and have no idea what it is like to reach a state like this without the help of substances, has anyone reached a state like this with mediation alone? Is it comparable to a DMT breakthrough?


Its interesting to me that it could be possible, that when we have these types of experiences on DMT that we could be burning karma (or something?) and actually achieving the same results that happens through years of yoga, mediation, spiritual practices and devotion etc.
Kind of like a spiritual shortcut. A fluke in the system that puts us in the same place, that it takes years of spiritual training to get to.
I am not saying that hyperspace is heaven or this divine realm, but maybe a part of it or that it is somehow connected.
Our hyperspace experiences are less controllable and more chaotic because most of us have not prepared ourselves or our spirit to be in those realms yet. It could be quite possible that it is why we have a lot of experiences of healing and things being done to our bodies, because when the entities see us in hyperspace and see that our beings are not yet suited to be there they have to “fix” us.


The Food “Drink” of the Gods

We know that cultures all over the world have been using mind altering substances since time immemorial as part of their spiritual practices for example, Ayahuasca in South America. We know that they believe that it takes them to the spirit realm to converse and interact with spirits and god/s/goddess.

For some cultures that used the practices long ago, the recipe or knowledge of what ingredients where for these drinks are actually lost and only speculated on.

Soma, Nectar, Ambroisa, Amrit

It’s safe to guess that these “Food/drinks of the gods” were psychoactive; they could all be the similar or different depending on the culture and the geography of the people that consumed them. I don’t want to spend to much time trying to figure out what cultures used what ingredients in which drinks, though that would be fun.
It would not surprise me if a lot of these drink had DMT in them or other similar molecules.


The thing that all these have in common is that, it is said to grant immortality.

Amrita- is said to uplifts a persons' physical and spiritual consciousness to a state of immortality.

Ambrosia- is the food or drink of the Greek gods and is often depicted as conferring ageless immortality upon whoever consumed it.

Soma- is called the plant "God for Gods" and is what the gods drink, and what made them deities

Nectar- “Nectar of the gods” is used to describe most of these drinks, but is also used to describe a liquid that can flow from the pituitary gland down the throat in deep states of meditation. It is considered quite a boon: some yogic texts say that one drop is enough to conquer death and achieve immortality. (Natural release of DMT?)


Now immortality means to live forever, and we all know it is not possible for a physical body to live forever. Only God/s are immortal and they live in the other realms, Heaven, Hyperspace, The Matrix, Brahman, Universal Consciousness. Whatever you want to call it etc.

So by drinking these elixirs the consumer is trying to achieve a state of immortality, and they know their physical body will not live forever, but their spirit/soul can. My guess would be the goal was to “live forever” in the other realm, to be like the God/s.
To be united with the Absolute and not have to be a slave to the death and rebirth cycle.
Once again a way to escape reincarnation and spend eternity with the divine.

This concept is seen in so many religions, cultures and spiritual practices, and its very interesting to me how this correlates with the DMT experience.

Maybe when we reach these higher states of consciousness in our experiences we are some how altering our karmas/Spirits/Souls etc. and becoming more familiar with these higher realms. It could be possible that we are doing the same thing to our spirits/souls as years of spiritual practices or the same as the ancients when they consumed the “food of the Gods” and after death, instead of being reborn we are granted a stay in higher realms. Becoming some type of Buddha, Arhat or higher being.

I’m not necessarily saying that we are enlightened beings here on earth, though for most of the people that use psychedelics it makes us try to be better people and aim for achieving some sort of higher self awareness. It would be interesting to know if because of our experiences and practices with theses higher realms and godhead experiences if we actually end up breaking the cycle of reincarnation and end up permanently in some higher Realm after death.


The people of ancient cultures and religions have been documenting a spiritual realm since the beginning of recorded time. Even cultures separated by oceans and time share a lot of similarities. My idea is that these realms possibly do exist and through whatever means they were using, they were accessing these realms. If hyperspace is a part of, or connected to these realms is what I am curious about.
Its seems that a lot of DMT experiences are full of worldly spiritual imagines and symbols, Mayan, Egyptian, Buddhist, Hindu and Pagan just to name a few.

So, If these cultures and religions were using either medicines or practices to access these realms and to make themselves “immortal” , Then century’s later we see and experience the people, places, ideas and symbols of these cultures and religions. What does that tell you?
Makes me want to think that some of them actually achieved their “immortality”. and are actually eternally living in these realms.

Just food for thought.

I would love to hear any of your opinions or ideas, or if you have any experiences that correlate to the idea I have here. Of course questions are more than welcome as well.

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It's just my particular view point but I personally do agree that psychedelics can assist a human being in reaching a state of "moshka".

Personally I do not however believe that vaporized DMT is as effective in helping one reach this goal as LSD, Mescaline or Ayahusca would be. I feel like I reached my own point of moshka using LSD combined with meditation/prayer in the form of inner silence while gazing in a mirror.

Whlie vaped DMT is quite useful, I believe the relative emotional sterility/detatchment of the experience can be somewhat inhibiting. For example, for me the vaped DMT experience has a certian degree of emotional detatchment that comes along with it, sort of like I'm simply looking at everything through a window rather than being involved directly in what's going on.

To achieve moksha is to make a single realization IMO. That realization however is not made at a level of rationality but is made at a level of being and "awareness" IMO
The realization on a rational level that you are an immortal being is only the first step
To actually allow yourself to become your true self enough to let that immortality within you manifest is key.

IMO immortality is achievved by becoming all that you are and by abandoning everything that you are not.....in a sense.

-Just my take on it.

sorry for all the typos..my screens messed up

Eli-

I am pretty sure I have read all your Experience reports here at the nexus, and have even read some of your blog. I find you ideas very interesting.

I definitely agree with the idea we are all immortal and having that realization and awareness is the key.

Thanks for the input!

Not to derail the thread or anything, but I find it to be the complete opposite in my personal experience. For me, DMT is jam packed with emotional content and I often feel completely engaged in everything that's going on. I can sense a connection to every thing and motion in my hyperspatial view, and it's enveloping me.

As for DMT burning off your karmas, I think it's just a shortcut to stacking on either good or bad karma. IMO burning off karma comes from striking balance throughout all scopes and areas of life. Balance is not necessarily DMT's strong suit. It'll fire you every which way.

if something is spread equally throughout all directions, would it not be balanced?
would it be more balanced if it only fired you some ways, but not others?

http://neurotheology.50megs.com/whats_new_11.html

..sounds kinda like this.

I have many many opinions and ideas here but it's too complicated to really get into atm.

Mz.Gypzy,

Nice post and good contribution. Pass Go; collect $200.

-a1pha

great post mate
this would make a good pdf download for people to read who aren't on the nexus ... theres some great info in there that a lot of people i know would appreciate and resonate with

thanks for posting

Every time I experience dmt it's very clear to me that there is something incredibly phenomenal going on behind the curtain of reality...for the entirety of ourselves and everything else is enmeshed in it. All one n' the same. Whether this separate reality we experience is part of the spirit world, the godhead, brahman, etc.....who knows? Could it be our Atman that we're experiencing?...our 'soul?....I've entertained that thought many times as well. Are we evolving that deeper aspect of ourselves in an unseen way every time we take the dip?...I tend to think so.

Perhaps, and it looks like that sentence would be true, but it's only because I can't convey the meaning of my thought properly because I understand what you're saying and I was thinking about that sentiment as I wrote mine. However, it's more like a loose cannon so that yes, it may pull your karma one way and then another, but it's all a bit too haphazard in my experience to consider it balancing. I think meditation (which I'm admittedly not terribly well suited at) is a more realistic route if balance is what you're striving to achieve. Is balance achieved with DMT at times? Of course. But I was responding to the idea proposed by the OP that DMT is a karma burner. I'm trying to contend it just throws more karma (both good and bad) into the mix. I also wouldn't think that this "karma burning" would be exclusively in your head be it from DMT, meditation or otherwise because from my understanding, karma is supposed to be heavily tied to actions and behavior. You can have an enlightening DMT experience but if it can't feedback to alter your behavior, then I don't think one could hope to break the mythic reincarnation cycle.

I would have to agree with your theory, OP. However, I have achieved "God-Head" experiences without DMT, many times - but only through one other way.

I can not lucid dream on demand, but sometimes it just happens to me. I will be in a dream, realize I'm dreaming, become scared shitless, and meditate on the spot (As I would in real life. If something crazy happens I will close my eyes and meditate). Except when I meditate in my dreams it immediately takes me to an all powerful-nothingness state of being.

I do think DMT is a shortcut to enlightenment. Given the experiences I have had, combined with tao te ching, or the diamond cutting wisdom, and you will see what OP is understanding.

I'm glad others have faith in this drug as I do.

-Peace.

Alpha- Thanks for the promotion! You made my night. Will you be mailing me
the 200$ check?

Also, Thanks to everyone that liked the post, it took a while to get it together.
I have been wanting to contribute and give back, since I have received so much from
the Nexus.

Jamie- I read through the link you posted and enjoyed it. It is a complicated subject, but would like to hear you thoughts if you have time and want to share.

Tattvamasi- I definitely resonate with your post. I am glad you resonated with my OP.

Global- The idea of the "Karma Burning" was taken from the Moksha Wiki page. Since the definition of Moksha correlates so much with the DMT experiences, I thought it would be
a good comparision. Moksha seems to be implying That when you reach these
"God-Head" or "union" moments That it is so powerful that it kind of Cleans the slate.

I agree that Karma might not be the best term, and believe it is based on actions and behaviors as well. Thats why I put the "(something?)" in there.



I definitely agree with this. Thanks for the input.

Worthless- Have you had a "God-Head" experience with DMT or any other substance as well?
I would like to know how the natural and entheogen experiences compare?

I've had numerous godhead experiences, but only two that were so epic/mystic that they were full blown white light experiences with the sense of eternity and infinity. At first it would only work if I had harmalas in the mix, but lately it's just been happening spontaneously on pure freebase and I actually haven't taken any harmalas in months. For the record, here are my two white light godhead experiences.

MOST AMAZING AYAHUASCA EXPERIENCE!!! (White Light)

Blind Sided

Wonderful post Gypzy I really enjoyed reading it.

Ive always had that feeling that all these spirituals texts, images, Gods are all referencing the same things with different ways of interpreting it. The number of similarities in these texts to DMT experiences still blows my mind, but further makes me feel it is true.

Thanks everyone for the input there are some nice subjects to look into here.

Jamie are you referring to the same topics as you referred to in these previous posts?

This is a long gone topic but I somehow felt on it through Googleling, and the title was very attractive

It's also things I feel very close too so I wanted to discuss them, and hopefully bring some new discussions here.

I also believe all the "Immortality Brews" to be psychedelic substances.

Eternity is the core, innevitable one might say, consequences of our consciousness-state of mind. The mind is unbounded by material concerns and can roam free, creatively, to the shores of oblivions, past and future. She can picture millions worlds that may be, millions world that have died, over eons or in the wink of an eye.

Today we are very preoccupied with Truth. Objectivity. No lies no more and all the defying of our so so flawed bodily perception, and the mind and soul thereof - how could one dares of speaking about higher intuition of divin order? But we omit that the only Truth for us is that of our perception, and it will always be. I think our ancestors understood that very well and were incredibly in their subjective perceptions, so much they reached the points of truth and wisdom, in all their shapes and sides. And the truh they were preoccupied with were truth that reflected the truth of the mind, the view of the mind - min over matter, mind over anything! - truths that were more relatable to us as human, for our every day life, closer to the emotional truths of our selves, which is not too far from the mind.

Modernity is also very preoccupied with immortality. While our society shows great deals of suicidal tendencies, we also have people living in high tech caves, ten feets above the ground, dreaming to go to new worlds in little echo chalbers lost in the void; or they dream to leave their bodies and become eternal as machines - in any forms that might take.

My supposition is that we desperatly try to reach that innate state of mind of humanity, innherent to the very shape of our consciousness - the realised and fullfield version of it.

Immortality, as I have lived and understand it, is becoming mythological. You bath in endlesness, a world of symbols alive, of archetypes growing yet still, dancing yet dead. Immortality is that: the core of art: the mind as the pencil, and the world as the canvas. The greatest tools of all creation, godly tools, of unbounded definition and the highest of quality. This heightened state of subjectivity and creativity is what we experience in the psychedelic realms. To extents unknwon and incomprehensible. Who could understand the crafts of the gods - which might very well be the first men. Live art, yet so alively ephemereal. Immortality is that: leaving in the ephemereality of the mind. You become the nature of eternity as you become change.

All of that is not seperated in any way from the truths material, so one dies in the body, one transmits knowledge through the body, and so on. Today we transmit knowledge with books, internet, etc, it is decorporation. So of course we want to leave our bodies, it's the logical consequences of that great escaping we are in the crux of. We created replicants of bodily function - internet is the unconsiouss. So we are no longer immortal by welcomîg the subconsious and letting it flood our perception with its magic but by virtualizîg ourselves in digital worlds we have created for ourselves - yet maybe only mere shadows of lower craft compared to what we used to be.

Man life is obligatory shaped by its relationship to death, the very precise perspective he has on the matter. Immortality thereof. Today we don't hold death in much regard, we don't respect her as we used to, we have no dialogue with her. We sought to control her, kill the night, overcome it of an iron grip, to put reality in well made boxes, well ordained sentences.

That is where poetry comes in. If you sougt immortality, you have to become the poet again, speak with runes and riddles, with uncertainity for you know fair well, illusions they are, and truth you will speak dancing with their shadows. Once you have felt everything being infinite, endless, you still have to apply the consequence of the perception to your entire world - and so shape your mind, a new reality.

This was a Saturn day's rambling, I hope you enjoyed and have a wonderful day.

Interesting idea s

Very good topic. Personally, I am in the process of translating one of the retrospective sessions into English then I will definitely bring some interesting information to the topic. It comes from a website where the psychologist has placed over 40 audio files from such sessions, however this one is the most interesting in my opinion because it does not touch previous incarnations. The person who happened to meet during the session turns out to be an old soul who begins to talk about life in a higher form and about why shr is now on earth. The session lasts two hours, so it will take a while, but I will definitely share it with you.

What u can hear there really fits what i personally believe. Karma is true but breaking the process of rebirth does not send you back to "heaven" or "god". It just send you back to the nexus were you live as a higher form but even there u still need to learn. Same as here you dont know what will happen after you success and what are the higher being above your higher state, it is just infinite ladder.

What is DMT then? Im not really sure.. Maybe well designed backdoor specially for those who seek to connect back with Nexus.