Hey everyone,

I am sad to say that my journey is over nearly as quickly as it began. After many failed attempts and only a small supply of spice it seems I will not be entering hyperspace. My access was denied, and the route buried. I am taking this as a sign to swear off all psychedelics, as I don't think anything could give what this does. I even got a VG, but I guess it can be used for other things too. Was an interesting stint.

Farewell Psychonauts, I'll still be reading probably out of curiosity, but alas I cannot join the journey.

Good luck.

Why give up so quickly? You bought a VP, okay that's a good start . . . why not try changa or pharma or any other number of methods? Throw an MAOI into the mix.

It can be tricky getting your smoking technique right in the beginning.

Or do you have some other reason to quit? Seems like a strange reason to swear off all psychedelics . . . If someone on the bus just gave you a ten-strip of LSD, are you telling me your would not eat all ten the nanosecond he gave you the acid? Hyperbolic hypothetical, but you get my point. Because if someone one gave me a ten-strip, that shit's going in my mouth like the Cookie Monster eating the last Oreo on Earth.

HEyyyy WAIT!!! Not so fast pal.

What about ayahuasca????


The Maxx said



Double stuff or regular???.....I guess that would make DMT like the glass of chocolate milk to dunk the oreo in...

don't give up too soon!! When you have a proper experience you will see and you will feel the healing.

Like zeroflighgt said, what about ayahuasca or pharma or changa with harmalas. Experiment more! You wont regret it

I could say the same thing. I've been trying for four months, gone through nearly 2g of spice, and aparently won't be getting any more anytime soon due to the MHRB situation. Didn't even get my first visuals until a few days ago, and definitely haven't "broken through". Makes me sick how easy some of these guys make it sound. But I'm nowhere near done trying!

I've dosed other people more times than I have dosed myself. I have extreme pre-flight anxiety, and haven't had a breakthrough yet. Although, these last several months with the molecule have been amazing and I have learned a lot to say the least. OP, what are you reasons for quitting?

Crazyhorse, what's your smoking method? It's taken you almost 2 grams just to achieve visuals? You have a proper scale? What size doses have you been trying?

Well first off I seem to have a very high threshold for achieving visuals period. 4G of shrooms won't do it either, haven't been brave enough to push it to 5 yet but I'd bet even at that they'd be mild. But that's not to say I don't get effects, the feeling that goes along with either DMT or shrooms is intense to say the least. I've gotten far enough out on DMT that I could barely move, and it was glorious (just not visually). It's definitely working, just not the way it's "supposed" to. I've never lost awareness of my body or who/where I am, and I've also never heard this "Carrier wave" thing.

And no I don't have a scale that measures low enough yet, I just pile a bunch in whatever smoking device I'm using, knowing there's little chance I'll be able get "too much", but not wanting to waste an attempt by having too little. If I don't use it all I'll finish it off the next time. In fact I think I'm going to go home right now and use up whatever's left from a few nights ago.

I've tried a variety of smoking devices and methods; meth pipe, machine, foil/bottle, sandwich style in weed pipe, and big glass bong. I often also combine these attempts with mushrooms, but not always. I've got both pure white spice, and orange/brown. I've done up to 4 or 5 big back-to-back hits off each of these devices, and did get some minor CEV at least once before adding an MAOI, but they were very dark and colorless, hard to make out and totally abstract (sort of like a screensaver). Compared to the effect I got by combining smoking with caapi and shrooms, I don't think those really even count.

But to be fair, a good bit of that 2G was used up smoking it "wrong", before I understood how tolerance works. I also used 1/2g of jungle spice to make enhanced leaf, which I haven't used much yet. There's more details in the report from my most recent attempt HERE.

Ok, scratch all that. Everything just changed for Crazyhorse.




If you'll describe how you've been going about this, I might have some ideas for you on things to try doing differently. It seems to me (now) like the smallest things can make a HUGE difference. So, if you're still interested at all, please describe what your typical environment is like, what type of spice do you have, how are you going about consuming it, etc.

Aw, well you are right, if something magically happened to land in my hands I would take that as a sign that I SHOULND'T stop, but that isn't happening hahah.

I must say, seems I had more luck than others. I certainly achieved visuals, many times. I actually am completely comfortable with most of the sub-breakthrough visuals I got, even the intense ones, but when I properly did half a point in the vg and I was still attached to this world with the strongest mental cable I have ever felt, it almost seems crazy I need to take more.

My supply was very small, and I messed a lot up in the beginning. I am the only person in my friend circle who is interested in these matters, and I am older now and unable to network new ones. That would be more of my reason for swearing off the rest.

If the universe really wants me to come back, something will happen. When I was originally "called" here it was a really strong calling... Which saddens me that I wasn't allowed entry.

As for the swearing off all others; there isn't much point in me attempting to obtain and use them anymore because I have learned most of what I needed from them. If my situation changes and I'm suddenly friends with a new circle perhaps I will be back in the fray.

Nothing will stop my interest, this compound still fascinates me, and I will continue to follow how it affects others. I also love Terrence and Dennis McKenna and will be following
The latter as well.

Thanks guys!

don't give up mate.. if you feel its calling then i say keep at it. are you vaporising crystal? if so try changa... it doesn't require a careful vaping technique as crystal does. can smoke it from a bong easily and breakthrough in one lungful

it may be a message from universe not to smoke as you said.. but i'd say its more than likely physics... i bet you can get there you might just need to try a differen't route of vaporising. if you can achieve strong visuals then you can achieve a breakthrough

my 2c

Here's my 2 cents.

Whenever you feel like your "access is denied", its because of one of the following reasons: (or both (or none))

1. (the skeptic approach)
You didn't smoke enough quickly enough, which made your brain interpret the premature stalling of the substance as an "access denied" type of scenario.
Solution: smoalk moar.

2. (the believer approach)
You didn't take the necessary time to meditate and prepare the set and setting, which is why the elves blocked your access.
Solution: meditate, clear your expectations, and surrender to the spirit molecule.



It took me a whole bunch of vaped sub-breakthroughs before I got to experience the ineffable states of abstraction that big doses of aya had given me before (I started out with aya). The trick for me was to keep inhaling until my body and apartment became totally alien to me, and my smoking posture looked like a process in an alien factory. Then you just have to accept the fact that you're an alien factory, and process that one more BIG HIT through your biomechanic assembly lines. The concept of an "access" becomes very trivial at this point, so it's kinda hard for anyone to deny it.

Don't give up, it's well worth the effort.

Mate not to sound overly confident but I guarantee you this; if you were to make Changa, exactly as I would tell you, have the physical ability to hold a good solid bong rip, I promise you you will break through! Ist try no questions asked.

Brother or sister not sure which, The GVG is a tricky pain in the arse in my opinion. I've vaped dmt hundreds and hundreds of times with many different methods and I find the gvg one of my least favorite. Its really tricky for new users but dont let that discourage you.

If it was as easy as others say it is there wouldn't be so many threads about how to use the freaking thing, lol. IMO its not that easy to get it all right. Once you learn it then its the amazing brilliant piece of heaven many claim it to be but I'll take a well made sandwich method in a bong over the gvg any day!

Also pure Crystal dmt is tricky on its own. The vast majority of people I talk to that aren't from the nexus are doing it incorrectly and only getting sub break experiences. This is why I hear all the time that dmt isn't all that people say it is.

I had a tough time in the beginning as well. I wanted it SOOOO badly. I can tell you this your 1st breakthrough will be all the more rewarding.

This is true, and for a good amount of the people here too. Correctly vaporizing DMT is tricky and idiosyncratic, but it's just a matter of finding the technique and dialing it in to optimal effect.

I defy anyone, anywhere, anytime to correctly vaporize 50mgs and not be utterly stupefied - no matter how many times they've done it. Anyone who says that it's not all that has just never done it right.

Oly Wrote:




This is 100% true IMO^^^^^ NO ESCAPE FROM THE CHANGA BONG!

also I mean you no offense but, Who cares what your friends think? DMT is a path of learning that is for you alone, it's not really a "bring a friend" type of thing.

I totally don't mean to be offensive but if your friends are holding you back from following the path you know is right for yourself...then maybe those friends are not the most helpful type to have around,
....I see age as irrelevant.. I'm 35 and I have no friends currently who are interested in DMT but I'm not about to let that stop my development...

Just my view on it.. don't meant to talk down about your friends..

I have to also back up what Oly said. Make some changa... get a bong (or make one)... and you will reach beyond what any language can describe.

My only breakthrough was with a bowl and me holding the flame over about 25mg. Got it all in one hit somehow.. you'll get there man, this stuff is so freakin different for everyone it's unreal... take a break maybe but dont give up.

Also I read that you said you've gotten all you can learn from other psychedelics... er...munch some more shrooms theyre a great teacher

slow n' steady wins the race

Smoalk....... moar?

(This got really long)

And to the great Uncle Knucles: Read my last (and longest) report; it certainly stupefied me. I also want to mention that even though your profile picture is mickey mouse, I sense the character of a sword with you. Just felt like mentioning that for some reason... Don't know why.

This is much more of a response than I expected! I actually thought I'd just get a farewell if anything. I'll provide all the information I can think of, but first I want to clear up something.

When I mentioned my friend circle, it wasn't that they are against this or anything, but rather I do not have the social connections to continue to find anything more. I follow nobody, and make my own decisions. I have one friend who has sat with me during some attempts, and he does have an interest in trying it... Just never is in the right mind set. He is my closest my friend. Unfortunately my supply is practically out.

To give more info to people wondering:

White via Q21 Tek 2. Have tried a glass pipe, bronze pipe, bong w/ ashcatcher bowl, bong with regular bowl, and Vapor Genie Classic. Always in my basement (it is my place of comfort and solitude, has my computer and smoking devices), on a couch.

Glass Pipe (bulb, cheap thin glass one) was a complete misfire and just felt wrong.

Brass pipe w/ sandwhich method worked, and I tried from 15-50 in it. My technique is always great until "Stage 2" where I then start burning the spice, and the whole franticness of the experience of trying to do it all in time while not burning it was not pleasant.

Bong w/ ashcatcher bowl was interesting. I thought I had the most brilliant idea and that this was going to work. Well, it definitely was an easy way to not burn the spice, but not powerful enough to deliver a breakthrough dose in time. Roughly 100 to 150 was put in there, and many many sub-breakthrough doses were hit off it until it was done. I'd say about 5-6. Not all in the same day.

Bong with a regular bowl w/ sandwich method was my first taste of a near breakthrough. 50 again, although I did not finish it as the experience overwhelmed me and I was sure I was going to blast off. This produced the strongest chrysanthemum visuals (which seem to always be in the same shapes, as if rainbow people are sitting down. I may draw a picture, it's basically the same curves of colour every time). I also had the imaginary hair on my tongue with this experience, so I was still very aware of my body.

Closest shot: Classic VG. This will get it's own section:

50mg again is what I put in. By the middle of the second draw I froze and could not do more. My best friend was present, and he had to take the pipe away from my mouth. Problem: Did not close my eyes. The word "um" came out of my mouth as the experience was peaking.

Instead of just the regular visuals the whole room seemed to suddenly be filled with what I'd say is grey jelly goo. With my eyes open slightly, I continue to go "um, um, um, um, um" caught in a loop. I was also gasping for air, although I did not remember this immediately after. As I came to and realized I was repeating Um over and over again, I also realized I was rubbing my legs.

When I came back enough to snap out of it and realized what was happening, I took one look at my friend and started laughing hysterically (I've had a few laughing fits with sub-breakthroughs. Very powerful, almost empowering laughs. Almost as if something/someone was laughing through me.

All of the sudden it felt like people were watching me or listening to me, but not in another dimension, in my house. My eyes opened wide, and the room was back to the regular colourful fractals and typical visuals. I was so paranoid that someone was upstairs, and asked my friend over and over again if someone was there. Repeated thoughts about a family member who had a rough weekend then consumed my thoughts, and I decided to take that as a vision to help them out.

I closed my eyes again as the experience was going away... The CEV was very different this time... Only red, darkness, and what looked like serpents floating around. I was very much back to earth at this point, and the visuals were not clear... Just like black and red cloud with black snake like movements weaving in and out.

End of the last attempt.

I do have a little spice left, perhaps slightly more than 100mg. Also have a little over a point of yellow, also from a Q21 tek2. My friend who was around for the aforementioned trip wants to try some, but he is never ready or in a state of mind to do so, and his interest in it is not the same as mine, he has barely any experience with any plant other than marijuana.


I also want to note that on many of my sub breakthrough attempts I get paranoia about posting on here. Even though I'm extremely small time user and have nothing to legitimately worry about this paranoia seems to creep out on some sub-breakthroughs.

Wow. We will see who actually reads this, it's pretty massive. Thanks everyone for the support, you may of swayed my mind from saving what I have left for my friend to try to having another attempt myself. It's going to be a real shame if I do finally breakthrough and never can get there again due to lack of supply.

I suppose it's better to of loved, than never loved at all.

As olys said...changa.

Make it in a 1:1 ratio of dmt:herb. Throw in some extracted harmalas as well. Pack in 75-80mg changa in a bong. Take one long and slow rip, slowly combusting the plant matter and there will be no debate on breaking through.