LOL I can totally empathize !!!

lol happens to the best of us man! Its amazing how quickly the bullshit of babylon can take over without a little subtle guidance from Ms Jane. Im glad to see your hiatus didnt last long. I dont know anythign about your beliefs yet but one of these days im just gonna do some snooping and read thru some of your previous posts, because i am very interested in what you are saying. I think organized religions can provide a very good foundation for people, but at the same time that knowledge can blind you (and i believe this is true with anything not just religion).

Welcome back man!

(*virtual toke...virtual pass)

Speaking of "fools", I wonder why HSF isn't all up in this. Seems like he's been absent recently.

Yeah ....where is that guy? Should we send a search party out into Hyperspace?

Really interesting thread guys, I find it kinda funny that spiritual beliefs can carry such a great weight and even turn to thousand year arguments. Could you imagine what it would have been like thousands of years ago? When the new prophets of their age like Christ and Mohammed first walked out of the desert (that is of course if they really existed), when their only forums were town squares and word of mouth? I mean its kinda far out, but we're coming into a new age of our own, I'd hate to think that a small discussion on a forum like this might in a couple thousand years of broken telephone, turn into some sort of holy war.

I dont believe in reincarnation in the conventional sense.

I experienced reincarnation directly on a dose of ayahuasca(and a very light dose at that). I was meditating in bed on a dose that was sort of on the visionary threshhold..and then I fell into a sort of half asleap alpha trance or something.

All of this came in a fast download. I experience my entire lineage of ancestors, or family tree as a sort of morphic field or wave of information and consciousness that is carried over to each person in that lineage like a node..like another new bud on a tree. In this way we are all little node like expression of this complicated morphogenetic equation, the sum of all of our ancestral interactions.

I am literally the reincarnation of both my mother and my father, but because I am the sum of both of them combined I am "new"..or they have evoloved. It does not end there though, I am also my grandparents and their parents and they're parents..and they all have multiple incarnations walking the earth at this time..all taken slightly different paths..for I have a brother, a sister, aunts, uncles and cousins etc..I will also be reincarnated though my children..

When you go all the way back all life is the reincarnation of some kind of primordial life..and the first life is the reincarnation of whatever it is that preceeded it.

Now, this was not an idea I had or some kind of revelation. This was something I experienced directly, as I literally was these all of these people..I was my ancestors and I experienced multiple reincarnations..all the way up to the birth of my daughter(I have no kids atm). I experienced my own(this me) reincarnation through her conception and she was actaully to carry on part my own path in a way, but better by becomming this amazing surfer and actaully making a career out of it. I experienced all of this as a sort of hyper-experiencial download in maybe 10 seconds.

Basically, all life is one large hyperorganism. I guess the whole universe it. You alone are not the reincarnation of anyone. There are many variations of reincarnated "souls" all walking around at the same time. The genetric information passed on through sperm/eggs and this sort of morphic field is what facilitates this. You may have more "heiloom" traits from one of your previous incarnations than someone else who also has some of that past incarnation in them as well though-such as you having more of your father in you than your children will, simply because of the complexity of branching that takes place within the genetic lineage..though this might not be true always because sometimes certain genes can just be more expressed in one person than in another for w/e reason..

Anyway it's weird.

I also think that when people remember one single past life or w/e they may be somehow tuning into one single node within an extremely compex morphic web of these nodes that does not follow the sort on linear progression described in most past life literature. There would be many alternative nodes that branch off in many horizontal directions within the space time continuum, and at the same time others will be able to channel those same information highways.

This also might not be just a horizonal/lateral thing..it's probly beyond spacial in the conventional sense and is a dimensional thing also..this is just my own speculation though.

This is also how i look at reincarnation. We carry all of our ancesters with us somehow. Everything that they didn´t resolve we will have to, or otherwise we will pass it on to the next generation, and then they will have to deal with all of the problems that we couldn´t solve. We don´t just pass on our DNA. We also pass our ideas and beliefs, habits, ways of looking at the world, etc, on to our ofspring. The good and the bad stuff, everything we are. The idea of the human mind as a computer is too simple. There is no clear distinction between harware and software. Our hardware changes with every new bit of input.

Between Jamie and polytrip, that's just about the most rational description of reincarnation I've ever heard.

Jamie: that sounds like a truly mind-blowing vision.

Yeah great description jamie/poly..that's often how i view it as well

Awesome thread, I definitely resonate with alot of the responses here. Even before I tried psychedelics at a young age I always felt like the only way for my life to be worth living was to "make history", after diving into entheogenic work my ego definitely ballooned and then painfully deflated.

Annihilating the ego and then rebuilding it countless times, seems to swell its importance in the mind during the beginning of trip-work IMO. Early in entheogenic work, one enjoys rebuilding their ego after ego-shattering experiences, sometimes making it even more grandiose than pre-trip. As tripping deepens(or one experiences a painful ego deflation experience[bad-trip, addiction, social isolation, etc.]) IMO one begins to take the ego off its pedestal and not trash it,(another pitfall IMO) but put it in a subservient pet-like position to a greater sense of self.

I definitely agree with the other Nexian who said dissociatives contribute greatly to this and can even lead to a very solipsistic view of reality.

About "messiahs", it seems like to me, that the people who cause a stir socially or politically actually cause more harm to other people and the earth. Those people who work on artistic endeavors or just attempt to become and be the best themself they can, appear more helpful to positive world change than the Che's, Lenin's, Marx's, Jesus' or even Leary's.(Revolutionaries) These men definitely changed reality through their life and ideas but their contribution is always neutral, not really totally beneficial, or harmful.

Dealing with the historical karma of enacting world change is not a goal of mine anymore. I'd rather help people's lives in the now with art, music, and good company.

Being yourself and living an enjoyable self and social life contributes to healing the earth just as much, or more, than contributing to revolutionary change. IMHO.

Jamie that was really enjoyable to read, have you considered writing a book or something bro?

Thank you so much Guyomech for bringing this up. I have been dealing with this all week. Last weekend while at my brothers I broke through. I was standing on a rock in the middle of space being shown the Univers and its secrets. Afterwards I was given a talisman and told that I had passed all of the tests.

A sliding dojo door appeared like a portal. I was then ushered into this extremely busy room with all of this advanced technology. It was all so casual to these entities...like it was always going on. After discussing my particular case I was taken to this balcony where I was shown the planet I was to preside over. I was standing on this intergalactic balcony like some scene out of a WWII documentary.

I was told that because I was such a good person yadayada that I was now in control of this part of the Universe. I remember thinking how am I suppose to eat now. Will they bring me food LOL. My brother was actually sitting on the ground looking up at the Moon. I thought he was bowing to me. Then I started to sober up and realized I was just tripping. OMFG! I was soooo confused.

What I took from this Godhead experience was that yes, life in a way is a test. I was shown that every decision has consequences. Its not that I'm going to be the chosen one or whatever, but I do believe that our choices not only have consequences in this life for us and the people around us, but after our death as well. Great topic. I am so glad to hear I'm not the only one to have had this happen.

[]DEACE

Right on man. We all got the same invitation (life). We are all chosen indeed. The numbers alone are incredible. Widdle it down to Nexians and yes, we are all extremely unique. I truly believe that to all of the people that somehow put this into motion ie. the ones that were drawn to the light like moths...researching, discovering, seeking, and in most of our cases actually creating this catalyst...to this I say WOW.

[]DEACE

Haha... I got this straight up from aya once. Saving the world? CLEAN YOUR APARTMENT. Thanks mom!



This makes a lot of sense to me in the context of Family Constellations work and how strangers who don't know you and don't know they have your mom's name written on the folded index card in their pocket nevertheless are, within the field of information in which the work takes place, able to embody and express your mom's characteristics.

When you say bye to miss jane for a few days or weeks more, you´ll start noticing that most of this 'bullshit of babylon' is actually nothing but some minor inconveniences.

What you´re experiencing are actually just cannabis withdrawal symptoms.

Oh nelly. Withdrawals are a bitch man. I've kicked (the term kick comes from the fact that your legs flail like your dying) heroin no less then 6x.

Methadone was the worst though. That shit gets in your marrow man, it takes months until you can really sleep. I've never been a big pothead, but anytime I hear about withdrawals from meth, coke, pot etc.....I just have to laugh, because none of those give you real physical withdrawals like the opiate family. Trust me, if you've experienced it you will know. It is hell. Never again!!!

Yes you´re right. Opiate, alcohol and GHB withdrawals are worse, physically than those of the other addictive substances.

A major part of addiction though, is in the mind. Pain itself is not that difficult to endure when you feel you´re up to it. But when you feel like you´re not up to anything....

The human body has it´s own endogenous cannabinoids, very appropriately named endocannabinoids, just like it has it´s own opiates, endorphins. And like endorphines are released to regulate pain, the endocannabinoids are a natural tranquilizer, meant to regulate physical but mostly psychological stress. And just like the body eventually get´s used to a daily intake of opiates, it will also get used to a daily intake of cannabis. And adjust. When someone who´s been smoking cannabis every day for a long time, suddenly has to go without, he will experience exactly all of those feelings of stress that would normally be dampened to the extreme. This is actually a physical mechanism that can be seen on brainscans. It is not a persons legs or intestines that suffer a withdrawal mechanism, but the persons brain. How someone experiences this may differ in each individual, just like feelings of stress differ from person to person. But it´s very real nevertheless.

Eliyahu describes these symptoms as: 'seeing the world through poop-colored glasses'. Tokapelli says that 'the bullshit of babylon takes over'. With that he seems to mean that he experiences the world as whicked (babylon), that the whickedness of the world (babylon´s bullshit) invades his private, personal sphere and 'takes over'. In other words, he feels that sensations of discomfort start to take control over his very being when his intake of cannabis is interrupted. When this happens, someone will automatically want those feelings to go away and thus starts to crave for that wich he has learned to automatically associate with the absence of discomfort: the substance.

This is the cycle of addiction. It can be very hard to quit any of those addictive substances. Considering the fact that some people have lost everything, and i mean with that realy EVERYTHING they had to the so called one armed bandit, wich isn´t even a substance, i would say that psychological mechanisms of addiction are actually the main problem. People have no problem going through a week or even a few months of serious pain when they know it is absolutely necessary for their survival, for instance, when they have a tumor that needs to be removed. Hardly anybody says: 'oh no, i don´t want surgery, i´d rather just die'. So it´s not the pain that makes any substance so hard to quit. It´s also clear that when a person would have the choice, he would not choose to loose all he has in the casino. No, the problem is the mental part of it. And in the case of cannabis, their is a clear physical mechanism behind this mental part of the addiction.

People these days go to rehab clinic´s because they cannot quit smoking cannabis by themselves, and because this habit is destroying their lives. Seriously.

I personally didn´t need to go to a clinic. But i´ve had a period of maybe a whole year where i woke-up every day saying to myself: 'today i´m gonna quit smoking weed'. And every single day i managed to have found an excuse why that day wasn´t a good day, and to smoke the stuff anyway. Because that´s exactly what these cannabis withdrawals do: they get inside your head, they´ll make you find excuses, they will make you feel like you´re not up to it.

You are probably right that opiate withdrawals are a lot more serious. But i do want to rub it in, when people cannot function normally without cannabis. Because people do need to be aware that it´s not just harmless fun.

And when you smoke the stuff on a daily basis, chances are that you are actually paying the bullits, fired in senseless gang-wars. All the reasons to adress the issue.

polytrip,

I agree with what you said...I have been smoking daily for 20 years so with few breaks..

I admit I'm a living example of what your saying.. Except for the paying for the bullits of gangs part. I get my weed from hippies, they may have slingshots but that's about it.

But yeah, I personally think the addictive potential of cannabis is under rated big time.

By the same token I continue to do what I do because I choose to do it and I accept full responsibility.