Hey all, I've been reading quite a lot from the nexus lately and am now recently joined! Within the span of this week I plan to successfully extract DMT from Mimosa while also dosing on a black vine Caapi tea for MAOI inhibition. My question is this; once I've taken the Caapi and smoked the DMT, how long of a trip can I expect to endure? I am thinking of an amount of 40g for the tea and I'm also not sure how much DMT to dose on. However I have read 50-100 mg is normal? I have also read that the experience could last as long as a traditional aya journey, but I am not particularly sure. Any help is greatly appreciated!

I just did exactly this for the first time yesterday. But I can't help much with the dosages as mine were totally guestimated. Most of the sugguestions I saw were equivalent of about 50G caapi being good. I load a lot more spice than one dose at a time, and also had enhanced leaf on top of it. Drank as much of the caapi tea as I could stand because I wasn't sure how much was equivalent to 50g.

The awesome thing to me about doing it this way is you don't have to take your hits back-to-back like you would without an MAOI. You can take your time if you want and build it up gradually. And the effect of each hit isn't as immediate either, it kind of creeps up on you. After you drink your caapi give it about 30 minutes to start working, from there you should have about 2-3 hours to smoke as much as you can handle, without building a tolerance. When you come back from a trip you can start smoking again right away if you want.

Enjoy!

Go easy at first , black caapi can be super strong , I,ve had a couple of epic experiences with this exact combo your talking about . The caapi kicks the spice up tenfold .

Duration is not hours and hours. Maybe an hour to return to a baseline .

Be prepared to forget what you did when it hits , I've experienced this many times . You can be tripping hard and not know what happened to get you there .

Make sure set and setting are extra good . These journeys can be very deep and intense.

You want no interuptions at all .

Travel well

Is that right? I was told to expect the caapi effect to last a few hours, and hyperspace time to be 10-15 minutes each time. But I had a hard time judging it myself because mushrooms were also involved. It seems to potentiate those as well. In this case, it was about 4 hours after starting to drink the caapi that I was back to baseline, which was also about 8 hours after taking 2g of shrooms.



Word to that!.

Thank you for the quality advice! I always am very aware of setting, for myself and many other I think It can make or break the experience. I was thinking either trying my journey at home, or perhaps in a secluded spot in the forest. Have any of you experienced DMT in nature? It seems like a very attractive option.

Also, I read somewhere that you have a 60 second time frame to take 3 good hits to enter hyperspace. I was under the impression that once I did that after I drank the tea, I would remain there for an hour or so.

My only qualm about doing this at home is that my neighbors are right next door and the walls are very thin.
That being so I can always hear them stomping around, I'm afraid once I lose the ability to discern reality this might make for a horrible trip. What do you guys think? How much of the external world does your brain continue to process?

I think out in nature would definitely be preferable. I won't do it at home again.



That rule is for when you are just doing DMT alone, the reason is because tolerance builds very quickly. That doesn't apply when you are also taking an MAOI. You can smoke at a slower pace as I said, the effect will still accumulate. But you won't stay in hyperspace for an hour, they probably just mean the effect of the caapi will last that long. Smoking plus caapi you should get 10 maybe 15 minutes peak experience at a time, but you can do it repeatedly during the same caapi dose. For me it was about 10 minutes.



Please read the thread I linked to in my previous post for lots about this.

Also check out THIS thread, they're mostly talking about rue instead of caapi, but they do pretty much the same thing.

Crazyhorse, I just read your post. Very beautifully done I might add. It's funny I find myself paralleling many of the same problems you experience; the clutching gravity of the ego, trouble dosing at home, and apparently even noisy neighbors lol.

After reading your post, I have decided that nature would be my best bet (even if it takes extra measures). Thanks for your helpful answers.

P.s. Chicken goes cluck cluck

Thanks, glad it was helpful. If you can learn and benefit from my mistake that's awesome. If you go out to the woods it's probably a good idea to take a friend to watch over you, if you can. I'm going to try and plan a camping "trip" too sometime before it gets too cold.

Ostrich go "Beh!"

Can't go wrong with Mother Nature! Ok yeah maybe you can, but I've had nothing but amazing, beautiful trips in the outdoors. I look forward to a similar combo that I'll be doing this weekend, most likely up on Mount Nitanny in Penn State. (I've never been on that mountain, hoping it's not very popular with foot traffic. I'm sure I can find a nice out-of-the-way spot away from public where I can go on my oral syrian rue + vaped dmt combo that I've never tried before.) I will be with friends during this

Nature is the only place I do it . Try to find a place as far away from people as possible . Survey your area with Google maps .

As far as time duration I think it depends on the caapi potency and a few other factors .
My main point is that vaping spice on top of strong cup of black caapi is a total game changer.

I also suggest having some ginger handy as well .

50mg if vaped properely is a VERY powerful dose i wouldn't recomend going anything above that especially on the caapi... you could get away with 30-40mg for a very intense breakthrough while on harmala alkaloids.. even a bit less

Ah I see... 30mg will probably be my best bet then.

I assume the ginger is for stomach discomfort?

Btw does this sodium carbonate diagram I made look right? I'm not totally sure how to do it..