So they say, our brains flood with DMT when we die. One of Strassman's theories about DMT is that it allows for the mind/spirit/soul to enter or leave the body. It seems to me, when one is dying there is probably more DMT released than maybe any conscious, alive person can get into their head. This is probably a huge multiple.

Since I started taking learning higher levels of math, I can't help but relate everything in math terms. In an exponential curve there is a limit to where the curve shoots skywards toward infinity. The death experience worth of DMT is probably somewhere very high on such a curve, where your average "breakthough" amount is still somewhere in the low lying area.

There seems to be something about humans that is set apart from other animals. It is not a physical sense, other than the brain. We share an incredible amount of biology with other mammals, other animals, and even plants. What other life forms lack in comparison to us is awareness. Chimpanzees, dolphins, and whales are all very intelligent creatures, but come just short of full awareness, awareness of their place, awareness of what they are, awareness of just being aware. I know it can be argued against, and I know it can be argued that many people fall short of this, as well. (Sometimes to the point I want to smack them around and yell "Wake up!!!"

My idea is this:
Suppose our minds are so powerful they are like a massive star. A star so huge that when its energy is spent, it collapses in on the weight of itself, and folds the very fabric of space around with it. I have felt time come to a grinding halt. Many of us have. Could it be that the conscious energy of our minds forms a singularity at the time of death? This slice of the timeline would find itself as unitless point, lost between two iterations of Planck's constant. When it does, it creates a whole new universe. There would be a new big bang to start this realm, complete with it's own set of properties that govern the conscious energy of that universe, and perhaps even life forms that reach another high level of awareness.

I read this on my way down from my trip yesterday, and probably should have gone ahead and said something then. I had a lot of thoughts about it that are escaping me now. But I like it! However the singularity idea kind of implies that your consciousness would have to be singular, existing in it's own little universe so to speak. In my particular view, we all share the same base consciousness, it is only when that consciousness is viewing the world through our individual ego structure, that we feel seperated.

The idea of death and DMT experiences being on a curve, like different intensities of the same thing makes sense to me. I think dreaming would belong on the curve too, below DMT obviously. Some people say they're not related at all, but I think it's a difference of degree rather than a difference of substance. There is just more of your everyday world and mental process involved in dreaming, on DMT you're released from a lot of those restrictions. And the experience of dying could be like the same thing to the DMT experience, as DMT is to dreaming. I think it seems likely that the higher on this curve you go, the less of your ego self is involved with the experience, and the more engulfed you are by pure the awareness of everything.

I dunno, just some random thoughts. A little disapointed there hasn't been more discussion here but you know I can't resist this kind of bait.

I'm glad you like it! I was a little worried it may have been too out there. But isn't this the place for such things?

I guess a black hole isn't an exact representation of this idea... If indeed a black hole leads to another universe, it is still connected to its original one, and mass and unfortunate science fiction space ships get caught and dragged in. As far as I know, this has never occurred from the death of someone.

One thing to keep in mind, is I come up with these ideas for the sheer fun of it. I'll probably go to my grave an ardent agnostic. I do agree, however, that there is a universal consciousness. I feel as though I have experienced it, and can see its evidence. To me it is another property of nature, a type of energy. It can be seen in how life seemingly strives for more complexity, which is in general defiance of entropy. The consciousness of a being, I believe, would be directly related to its level of awareness, at least in this existence. I'm pretty sure trees and dogs (obviously not limited to these two, they are just my favorite tripping companions) have far more consciousness that it appears. We are just unable to perceive such things most of the time.

I do think some mathematical model could be used to represent the intensity of experience from dreaming to DMT tripping to dying, though it would probably be impossible to actually create. It seems to me that the location of the pineal gland alone would cause a much more intense experience. It'd be like a direct shot into all the crevices of the brain pretty much simultaneously. I'm in no way wishing death upon myself, but I'm pretty sure it'll be one hell of a trip.
A trip to end all trips, as it were.

This perception of eternity as you mention is a glimpse into the ultimate reality many discuss on here.
We have brains that trick us into believing many things.

One of these things is the notion of time. The past and present.


All that has ever existed is the present moment, and it is in a constant state of change.

Your memories of the past, and conceived notions of the future do not make it real.
These are just biochemical reactions that allow us to develop.
Like adding books to a library.
It's essential to survival and evolution.

But you have to step out of this perception, and come to realize the truth.
The eternal present.

As for what happens when we die, it's hard to say. Perhaps if one is ready, they will dissipate back into singularity with the universe. Total ego dissolution. I'm sure it would be an incredibly liberating experience.
Or possibly there is even more voyaging to be done in the life after.

I think the brain certainly has an evacuation plan to eject the consciousness.

I would think so, Where are you ever going to find a better group of people to bounce these kinds of ideas off of?



My conception of things probably isn't too different, you might call me an agnostic spiritualist. That is, I have a lot of IDEAS that could be considered spiritual, and consider the search for understanding of these things to be part of the purpose of our existence here. But I also believe in the impossibility of ever really knowing anything for certain. IME anyone who really thinks they hold the One True Answer, has just fallen in love with an idea, and limited their potential scope of understanding. I think all perspectives are equally valid and necessary for the universe to know itself.

It seems to me that the long-standing conflict between science and religion has left some really important areas unexplored, that might actually be able to bridge the gap. The idea of consciousness as a non-local field or force, that living things sort of "tune in" to on their own individual channels, might actually be within the scope of things that science can eventually come to understand. And I think this understanding could shed a lot of light on many scientific mysteries, and many spiritual concepts too.

I'm diggin your way of looking at things, Crazy. I have decided the mystery is the most important thing. I find it so fulfilling to simply ponder the great mysteries, rather than just accepting what I am told.

That's interesting what you say about the gap between science and religion. Being outside of religion has allowed me to notice this, as well. The tricky thing is always walking that fine line, as both sides will label you as a crazy nut. But who cares? I have usually fallen more on the scientific side since it generally doesn't claim to know more information than it really does. That doesn't mean I think religion is without its worth, it's just usually clouded in metaphor.

Acaterpillar:
Isn't it so hard to focus on the present moment? It's true, from our perspective it's all that exists, but I find it almost impossible to live in the moment. I think that's one reason why I love psychedelics so much. I have never heard it put such a way, about the eternal present. We like to think our memories are real, but I suppose they aren't.