This is something I've been wondering for a while, so I thought I'd ask. DMT is clearly the best choice to go with for a breakthrough-type experience, or just to get as deep into the psychedelic universe as you possibly can, but how does it hold up in a setting more accustomed to the "classics" like mushrooms, mescaline, and LSD? I've smoked sub-breakthrough doses of DMT before and, while I did love each experience, I found it to not have an incredible amount of emotional depth at those levels. With something like LSD a trip that would still leave me functional and able to explore the world could create fascinating blends of hallucination and reality and profoundly altered states of mind, and I personally think that this integrated state, as opposed to something totally out-of-body, is where LSD shines. But with DMT to me it seems to be that the hallucinations at this level are intense but rather unstructured and chaotic, just trying to say that you need to dose higher for the real trip to begin. However, my experience is limited, so I'm wondering what others have experienced or what it's like at equivalent doses with oral administration. Any thoughts?

A full on dmt breakthrough is very very different from those sub-breakthrough levels, which can tend to be pretty chaotic at times. Sounds to me like you're over analyzing it a bit my friend..a tendency which i'm sure we've all had

So much of the outcome depends on how you use this insanely powerful tool...not to mention you're mind frame beforehand, and where you are in space-time. That in addition to the fact each trip can be so incredibly different. Because of all this, IMO, nothing is so set in stone as "lsd trips are integrative and deep but lsd OBE's lack this 'shine' etc etc.."..Contrary to what you've said, i often reach very deep emotional and insightful experiences on even just very low doses of changa. And have also had these during lsd OBE's

I find it useful to build models..but models that attempt to squarely outline the specific parameters and limits of the nature of the psychedelic experience seem sort of useless most of the time- since, especially when it comes to high doses of dmt, they are always bound to be shattered experientially. This is why many here talk about just reserving judgement, centering you're mind to the best of you're ability, and letting go into it..

btw, have you looked into ayahuasca? When is comes to emotionally deep and especially integrative experiences, ayahuasca tends to often surpass smoked dmt

"DMT is clearly the best choice to go with for a breakthrough-type experience, or just to get as deep into the psychedelic universe as you possibly can"

maybe true in a sense. although IME mushrooms will take you to just about those same places, except leave you there for much longer. its basically like oral dmt to me..many people don't realize this but you can definitely breakthrough on mushrooms (and lsd, although thats pretty different). ayahuasca will do this as well, although the psychedelic harmala alkaloids brings in a whole other element to it

I never really enjoyed sub-breakthrough DMT. Whenever I vaporize it I am trying to break through, so when I don't it is pretty darn annoying. I agree with you about the lower doses almost TELLING you to vaporize more because [I feel] DMT's purpose IS the breakthrough experience.

I will say that low dose DMT (vaporized) has an extremely "peaceful" feel to it. It is a type of peacefulness I don't feel with any other psychedelic. I move slower, am careful, place things down gently, I feel totally at peace on a low dose of DMT. But to answer your question, I personally do not think low dose DMT holds up against LSD, mushrooms, or cactus. Those three are totally different than a small dose of DMT.

(also, I have never taken oral DMT freebase, so I can't really compare its equivalencies with vaporized DMT freebase. sorry!)

Well, I wasn't trying to set anything in stone, I was just giving my personal experience. And I wasn't trying to say that any dose of either DMT or LSD is anything less than amazing either, as I have also had profound experiences on both low doses of DMT and in LSD OBEs. However, I still feel that LSD is best used in reality, and that the profundity of my sub-breakthrough DMT trips surely pales in comparison to a breakthrough. I'm not suggesting that it has to be that way for everyone, that's just how I feel about it.

I have looked into Ayahuasca, but I probably won't be doing it for a long time. I'd like to become well-acquainted with smoked DMT before I get to that point. Thanks for the advice, though!

I've actually gotten very close to a mushroom breakthrough before, and I have a lot of interest in that too. To be honest I just said DMT is clearly the best because every time I've ever said otherwise I've just gotten chewed out until I finally gave up lol. However, I will say that my experiences on other psychedelics like mushrooms and LSD became much more intense after I smoked DMT, my trips prior to it were nowhere near as hyperspacey, not that I don't think they could have been. Is it really that similar though? At all the roughly equipotent doses of mushrooms and DMT I've taken so far there were definite similarities but also some key differences.



I definitely agree with you about the peaceful feeling of low dose smoked DMT, except I feel it on mushrooms as well, with maybe a slight difference. If I had to put a label to it, I'd say that the DMT high feels more 'content' and the mushroom high feels more 'satisfied'. (Not to suggest that one is better than the other, those are just the words that come to mind.)

Thanks for the input!

To me, in my experiences with LSD its kinda like taking a DMT trip and stretching it out over a period of so many hours... Enabling you to be more coherent, although you are still receiving massive amounts of information. DMT is just like being hit in the face with a tornado of everything.

But recently ive gotten ahold of some "standard setting" acid. IMO it had similarities to DMT, and Mushrooms... Crazy shit man... Overwhelming in a different way... But none the less profound and life changing.

My only problem with low dose DMT/changa is the extremely short duration. I'm talking 30-60 seconds tops. (IME) As soon as it starts getting good, it fades away.

That makes sense to me. Thanks for the response.

You're lucky, I've been getting really antsy lately from thinking about it a lot lol. I don't know if I'll ever have the chance to use LSD again, I just don't have the sources. :\ Who knows, though....



I can certainly see how that could get annoying. Do you know anything about the duration of such low doses orally?