I've heard of this but have yet to find information about this on the nexus.
I've read that you need far less to achieve similar effects.

Could someone point me in the direction of a thread or two or three?


Thank you fellow Nexians.
Much love.

Good question, unfortunately I don't know personally but planning on trying this for my next experiment.

ive done it many many times..it works very well and can be like a short ayahuasca journey. Just be aware than the DMT takes longer to fully peak this way..so dont be too quick to assume that you need more..it takes about 2 times as long to fully hit compared to if you just smoke DMT or changa without oral caapi or rue..it will also obviousily last longer overall and the afterglow is prolonged.

What kind of duration is possible Jaime?

It would depend on how much MAOI you consume, and it could last anywhere from a rather standard DMT duration to 15-60 minutes. Then when it wears off, you can just smoke more.

Warning: please read health and safety information concerning MAOI's. Serious risks come with consuming MAOI,s




Anyway, I found this little gem on erowid that talks about smoking Maoi,s then smoking freebase dmt.


Enjoy!


http://www.erowid.org/pl...e/syrian_rue_info1.shtml

I have been wondering about this as well. This weekend I will have syrian rue. I want to take some rue beforehand (no extracted harmalas, just syrian rue seeds) and then so long after vape some spice. However, I'm not exactly sure where to start with the dosage of each. I don't have too much spice to be experimenting with for the time being. Any help would be appreciated.

I usually pack a small bowl of syrian rue mixed with mullein and smoke that.

Then I wait 10-20 minutes before hitting some spice.
It potentiates the experience a lot, though it can make it a little darker.

I wouldn't smoke the syrian rue. I find it exerts its magic much better when orally ingested. I would take 3g. You can either make a tea out of it (the least nauseating route, yet it tastes disgusting) or my preferred method is to grind up the seeds with a pepper mill, put them in gel caps, poke a couple holes in the gel caps, and swallow em. With the gel cap method, the obvious benefit is that you pretty much don't have to taste the syrian rue at all. Just smelling the stuff now makes me sick. Anyway the gel cap method can be a bit more nauseating, but it depends on the person. I for example, will tend to get nauseous from it every time, whereas most of the people I've given it to in the same manner have never felt nauseous ever, even though we took the same dose at the same time. For me, the nausea is worth not tasting it.

Then I would take whatever your standard dosage is for smoking spice and cut it in half. The syrian rue will potentiate the experience dramatically such that half your normal dosage will take you further than you could've imagined possible. With an MAOI in your system, the onset for the smoked DMT is delayed by 15-30 seconds (which can be deceiving). It can be an incredibly powerful experience, so exercise caution, but honestly a lot of my most significant and profound experiences have come out of this little method here. You'll probably wanna wait around an hour after taking the rue for your first blastoff, and then after that you can keep on going up for as long as you'd like.

This is my method of choice.

I drink the same amount of vine, rue or isolate that I would for an oral journey and then take 5-10mg licks on my GVG every hour and it sustains beautifully.

Most euphoric and forgiving way to go and other than the onset time, the quality is very similar to an oral dose.

I have prepared a Caapi brew, have a bowl loaded with a layer of enhanced Viridis leaf on top of a layer of elf spice, and haven't had anything but salad, eggs, and toast to eat for about a day. Now I'm pretty much just psyching myself up to bring all these elements together for the first time.

The neighbors in the duplex where I live are moving out today, so I'm a little worried about being disturbed by their noises and such. But I may just make my bedroom as dark as I can, put in some earplugs, and see where this takes me. Or maybe I'll just wait until later tonight when they'll hopefully be done, so I can use my living room which would be a better "setting". I'll definitely let you guys know how it turns out as soon as I'm back from the journey! If this works, it will be my first breakthrough experience.

Thanks Global, that helps. However, I was actually planning on taking the rue orally in the first place

I have made tea out of ground syrian rue seeds...........

I usually use at least 30gm of seeds, ground, added to a litre of water...........

I simmer (just below boiling) for 30 minutes, strain, and repeat 2 more times, combining the 3 strained liquids, then simmering/reducing it all down to about 360ml.

I have been using about 5gm per dose, or at 360ml for the 30gm, about 60ml or 2 oz per dose of the reduced tea.

I mix cranberry or some other strong flavored juice with the rue tea, usually about 2x the juice per dose, or about 4 oz or 120ml of juice to the approx 60ml of reduced rue tea.

I just hold my nose......chug a lug, and chase it with some straight juice to expel any flavors still in my mouth, all while still holding my nose.........

I have no problem getting it down with minimal issues...........

I then wait about an hour, to insure the tea has had time to take effect, followed by vaping crystals in the GVG.

I didn't reduce the dose of crystals due to using MAOI's (syrian rue tea).

Was significantly different..........

Even though I clearly remember telling myself that I MUST remember certain events experienced while vaping the crystals, I couldn't remember much of anything except for clearly remembering that I told myself to remember multiple times while travelling...............

It was the first time that when opening my eyes, the "normal reality" was transformed into a completely alien type of world, even though similar physically, kind of like the everyday filter was lifted to expose a completely alien type of landscape, etc...........

Also, the intensity and length of the portion after the main event, was much stronger, and longer lasting than normal by about 30 to 45 minutes...........

WOW!!!!! Did I mention...........WOW!!!!!!

The best Rue I've found is to make a tea, evap all the way down to a resin, and gelcap. No taste, no nausea. It usually comes out the half the original seed weight, which makes dosing easy.

I do get a little nausea on pure ground seed.

I found 3 grams of Syrian Rue enough to inhibit me for a pharma journey (and I wieght about 180 pounds)

I also do 3 boils (3 times boil in slightly acidic water for 20 minutes, decant/filter, add fresh water), and then reduce the total water down to about 50ml / 1 shot glass.

I just drink it, swallow very quickly, and immediately drink some fresh lemon juice. The strong acid taste of lemon puts away the nastiness of Rue almost immediately

Wow. And you still feel the rue's (non-nausea related) effects as much too? If this works for me like the way it works for you, I will be ecstatic!

^^^Yes sir! The cost of it is the extra work it takes to boil it down. I use a double boiler so that way it won't burn and I can mostly leave it alone to do its thing.

The resin dissolves back into water if for some reason one wanted to do that.