High everybody!!!

I thought it might be interesting to have a discussion about how psychedelics drastically affect ones perception of time.

I believe most everyone who has had a heavy dose of DMT can relate to what I'm talking about.
Also regular dream states are a place whre drastic time dialation occurs regularly. For example most people can think of a time when they fell asleep for about 5-10 minutes but had -dreams that seemed to go on for hours.

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Before I ever tried DMT, way back in my LSD days I noticed that whenever I would focus all my avaliable attention purely on the vibration of my own awareness, not only would awareness increase immensely but eventually I would reach a point where it felt as if though time had literally come to a complete halt.

This time stoppage technique became the conerstone of my medatative explorations because I came to realize that this very distinct sensation of time stoppage was always accompanied with the the most mind blowing paranormal experiences...
generally in the form of some heavy duty Entity contact.

So when I started using DMT about 7 years ago, I quickly noticed that a major part of the DMT experience consited of this time stoppage phenomena...in a more extreme way than I had ever expereienced.

The most extraordinary time stoppage events of my life occured after IV DMT. 4 seconds after the needle left my vien I felt time completely crystalize and freeze over.....

That was when the pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sound began and then I was transpoted through the DMT cooridor.

It literally felt like I was in this "other place" for months. I imagined that something went wrong whith the injection and that I had died, there had already been a funeral and my loved ones had already begun to forget what my face looked like with out a photo to help them visualize.

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So this phenomoena has me coming up with a few different theories. The first theory i have is that proper meditation while under the influence of LSD triggers and endogenous release of DMT. Also this seems to work in relatively effortless manor. To do the same thing while sober seems not even in the same realm of possibility.

My second theory about the actual stoppage of time is that it is truly happening. It would be extremely difficult to prove either way. If a human could stop time then it only stands to reason that no one else would notice.

The main functions of time stoppage seem to be the following:

1. It allows for a human to absorb incredibly vast amounts of information in relatively jsut a few seconds.

2. It allows for a coridoor to open that leads both to and from the spirit world.


My final though on it for know is that the term "time stopage" as catchy as it may be is at best a misleading term. The truth IMO is that there is no time to stop.

What is really being stopped is our illusionary linear view of time. I believe that if a human is able to transend their own primitive concept of time then time becomes more like a wheel.

Consider the idea that lack of patients is one of the greatest agitating factors of being human. To me impatients and the rather frantic feelings that come along with that emotion are the result of our flawed perception of time as a linear phenomena.

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This thread is about throwing around fun theories and what not, so put your existensial thinking caps on and lets brainstorm this out. People who have no extensive science knowledge are encouraged to join the fun..And of course people who actually do know a thing or two about science are more than welcome to chime in as well if they feel like it.

I too have marveled at and wondered about this phenomenon. My most profound experience with this was after a 20 gram dose of Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds. I feelsure that somehow my endogenous DMT flooded my brain. I spent seconds? hours? days? millenia? in another realm and came "back" with certain abilities that I am still coming to grips with.
I agree with you on your thoughts that time doesn't exist. Now is then and was is are and future is past. I believe that we can effect the past and help to heal ouselves and others.

If you change something in your past, that change becomes your present and you might not even remember what your other present was. Which is all the more reson to try and do what you can even in your past to make this moment better.

I was able/allowed to pick/change my current reality that night while taking the seeds.
I begged to be allowed to bring "something" back and I did. I brought back this knowledge of my existance as well as some wierd "parlor tricks". I can now write frontwards or backwards right or left hande as well as an uncanny sense of balance. I am no longer right handed, I am just "handed". These aren't things I "learned". These are things I could do the following day and can do them still. I also no longer worry, not just about death or dying, but about anything. THAT it a strange sensation, albeit a good one Sorry to digress, but I haven't told many people about this.

I am sure down to the core of my being that I have been here before and that I am also in my own "past/future" shaping events in this realm. The convoluted path of my existance, as I know it, has been/is being orchestrated by me on many different levels. I have tried to talk to my family about this but they tend to dismiss anything from an entheogenic journeyas "just a hallucination". IMO there ARE no hallucinations, just different degrees of vision.

Sorry I got so far off base.

psychonut wrote:



I completely agree with that one

Wow, the way Psychonut describes it makes it sound like something I'd really want! But for me, so far, messing with time is the one thing that really freaks me out with psychs. Probably partly because of this hellish LSD trip I had 20ish years ago when I got stuck in this loop that convinced me I was doomed to repeat my single meaningless, painful, wasted lifetime over and over forever. That pretty much ruined it all for me for a long, long time.

But also with my more recent mushroom experiences, I just get SO confused. Once I was sure it was the end of time and the gods were judging me (and laughing), and the most recent time, I literally couldn't remember if the sun and daylight were real, or if I had just imagined them and it would be night time forever.

Maybe taking higher doses would get me past that, and I haven't gone far enough into hyperspace to experience the DMT version of timelessness yet. Maybe being knocked the hell out will keep me from flipping out as much. I sure hope so because if all goes to plan I'm REALLY going all the way out there for the first time tomorrow!

My brother, time stoppage can be hell, but it could be heaven just as easily if you let go..

Your predicament with the car and the black pyramids was percisley that amigo...
A PREDICAMENT that you got yourself into for what ever reasons.....

If you are a now changed person from what you were then...this situation will never replay itself again in your life.

Trust me man I doubt you have much reason to worry sounds like you may have payed all your past due karmic bills in that few seconds of frozen traffic time you did back there.

(BTW Your story Sort of made me think of the crazy car chase scene in that movie "Ronin" combind with the Matrix)

Believe you me that "incurring the wrath of god" type stuff only happens on rare occasion when time stoppage comes into play.

Next time you should be golden ...

Thanks, I appreciate the encouragement I really do.

Still can't help being apprehensive, If I'd really paid off my karma or whatever it was during the original experience, why did it replay itself repeatedly after that during the next few years whenever I'd put a toe back in the water? I scared the hell out of my wife on at least one occasion and finally just had to stop trying until recently.

Also, there was this sound... the only way I could describe it would be the story of my entire life, whole books worth full of spoken words, compressed to about 2 seconds of high speed semi-musical gibberish that plays in a loop. But it's always exactly the same gibberish. I had almost forgotten about that part, until the last time I did a moderately high dose of shrooms, and I heard it again. I managed not to lose my shit and the rest of the flashback elements weren't there, but it was scary because of the past associations with it.

I don't mean to be a downer just nervous about diving into the deep end tomorrow. I know I shouldn't be, so far my sub-threshold experiences with DMT have felt so safe and benevolent, I really want to trust it. I want to know what MY hyperspace is. I think it's just that I still don't fully trust myself.

Actually time stoppage I think I could handle, but I'm not sure if I've experienced it the way you're describing. In my "end of the world" experience time didn't really appear to stop, I was just expecting it to at any moment and felt unprepared. And the feeling I associate with being "outside" time, is really sort of enjoyable. I'm not sure if you'd consider that as the same thing as stopped time. It's the damn time LOOPS that I worry about.

Your reluctance to jump back into the pool is an extremely valid one based on what your saying.


I would highly recommend going the changa rought and involving some caapi in the mix.

I think a gentle teacher helping you get back into swimming again might be a good Idea.


the flash! wham! Bang!! of regular Vaped DMT may not be that helpful.

I dunno ....just something to consider bro

its funny i was drawing and then looked at the time and it was 2 hours past what i last thought and it felt like only minutes then i saw this thread

I think you're right on target with that. So far I've been unable to get there the usual way after trying for months, following all the usual advice and using a range of smoking devices, and different types of spice. I don't have all the makings for changa but adding caapi in tea or extract form was totally the plan to go along with my last remaining dose of the elf spice. But my "brew" hasn't been going well and I'm not getting much help so I'm not sure if it will work, confused about what form to take it in and how much to take, if it's not already ruined. There's another thread (well a couple actually) where I've been trying to figure this out.

Aside from that, I'd be very interested to know more about the "time travel" type of possibilities Psychonut was referring to, from looking in the Lexicon I gather others have experienced it too. I could really use some healing of my past (particularly this old bad trip that's still following me), and reassurance about my future (which I think could help dispel the 'prophecy of doom' from said bad trip.)

Dang, I didn't realize you were undergoing such an epic struggle bro.

I bet the spice has not worked for a good reason..

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I have had really good luck with oral maoi's and Vaped spice...
so keep in mind if it seems like your aya is not working try to vap some DMT.


My changa -

caapi extract/calea extract and a wee bit of amanita for some serious zest.

Trying to fix this thing once and for all is the main reason I'm exploring DMT and shrooms in the first place. Nothing else has worked, and I don't think I'll ever really be able to move forward until I can cut all this irrational fear loose.

Not going for the full aya thing yet, want to try caapi plus vape first. If it goes well and I have enough caapi left I'll brew up my viridis next.

Thanks for the input.

That sounds like a good plan man..