If I always.have bad experiences with lsd, does.that mean ill have bad experiences with dmt? What about mushrooms? I think lsd isnt the drug for me, doesnt come.from a plant.

Maybe, maybe not.

If you believe your anxiety came from a loss of control then yes, DMT will probably give you a bad trip every now and then.

However if it was more the intricate mind warping that is very unique to LSD, you won't find that so much with DMT in as much that you won't be thinking as much as observing.

The Bottom line? Any psychoactive substance can give you a bad time if you are not prepared. I always use DMT in a safe place respectfully and with a lot of pre-flight concerntration.

Please be aware that this a false argument and that it should not be used on the DMT-Nexus.

When we are being raised we often learn that plants are good and chemicals are bad. Unfortunately (or luckily) this is something that is not true. For example, there are many plants which are extremely toxic, ingesting just tiny parts of these plants can cause a horrible death.

Also substances that come from plants can be synthesized in the lab, DMT is a good example of this; you can extract it from plants or chemically synthsize it, there will be no difference between the extracted and the synthed DMT molecules, so now what is good or bad?

So as you see we should avoid stigmatizing things with reasoning that is simply not true.


As for your original question, it can very well be that you will not like DMT at all. We will only know when you have tried both. Can you maybe elaborate what your LSD experiences were like that made it so bad for you? Maybe that can shine some more light on your issue.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Well if you're partial to plants I hate to break it to you but natures psychedelic experience isn't any better than LSD. You just need to work on your set/setting more. I find bad trips on LSD/mushrooms much easier than on DMT. If you smoke a huge dose of DMT you'll completely forget what "bad" means. At least in my experience.

DMT is a mindjob.

LSD is a tedious, somewhat mild afterthought (albeit, you have a long timeframe to get caught up in some introspective rut).

if you easily get anxious on lsd, how are you gonna deal with dmt?

I can't relate to your take on LSD... at all. But I do seem to be supersensitive to it.

I wouldn't say in the slightest that DMT is tedious, but LSD gets the mind job award from me.

lsd was a joyride for me, I was in the driver's seat. can't say the same for dmt.

Well for DMT I'm defo a passenger, but with LSD I think I'm driving to a holy destination then realise I've lost clothing and a day has passed and I was really in the passenger seat the whole time.

DMT makes me trip... LSD sends me crazy I guess is the way to put it.

The key with DMT is just to lay back and not try to make anything of it. Focus on the pipe, not the trip, until you can't see anything anymore. By that time it won't matter what seat of the car you're riding in, you'll already be at the destination. I've done this and NEVER had a bad breakthrough experience. The only bad trips were the ones where I'd pussyfoot around with low doses and overanalyze everything.

Ergot is a fungus that grown on rye...LSD is semi synthetic, not fully synthetic.


IF you have trouble on LSD, DMT won't be any better. I would try working my way up with small doses of shrooms if I were you.

Peace

i fully disagree with set in stone ideas like "if you have rough trips on lsd then dmt won't be different" to be honest. Sure it is possible, but NOT always. my first few lsd trips were pretty rough but i virtually always had a good experience on dmt back then. everyone is different and set/setting is a complicated issue as well. But yea, i would definitely look into mushrooms..

as for dmt, just start with low doses of changa during meditation/yoga would be my advice. its a very short experience so you don't have anything to loose by just testing the waters this way

p.s. did you smoke weed on the lsd? when i was starting off i would smoke on the comeup and this frequently intensified it too much for me, unless i waited until the comedown to smoke. maybe also try it without weed if you haven't

I thought this too until I took a large enough dose of acid to put me incapacitated on the ground while having lost all sense of space and time and having the universe show it's deepest inner secrets.

For me, LSD is capable of journey's as deep as DMT, just different paths.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

LSD and mushrooms are nearly the same thing IMO. Although a mushroom trip is shorter. But I also feel like there are a lot more variables with mushrooms than LSD. So there's a chance you could find a batch of mushrooms that you really enjoy.

I have a friend who I have taken LSD with, and who had a bad experience probably 2/3 times. He has smoked DMT twice to my knowledge, both without incident, the second time being 'amazing'. I think he was expecting a DMT type experience from LSD and could not get to grips with the crazy / analytical side of LSD.

Either drug can be tricky, I have had hairy moments with each. With DMT I have had to sit it out, and with LSD I certainly had more control. They are different beasts, but be careful, DMT is incredibly powerful that alone can be quite a shock...

I hear you....but at the same time I would have to say that nothing is quite as traumatic as a DMT trip gone wrong IMO. A horrifying DMT trip can potentially make a person never want to touch psychedelics again for the rest of their life from what I have observed.

EDIT: Obviously Salvia is even more severe than DMT.

I will concur that micro dosing changa is good advice because of the more relaxed and gentle nature of it as long as they are CAREFUL with their dosing. I would also highly suggest adding caapi leaf extract to the changa to make it even more friendly.

In my own personal experience, mushrooms for example are a nightmare for me every time I take them. DMT which is chemically even closer related to mushrooms than to LSD, is infinitely more acceptable to my psyche than mushrooms with LSD somewhere inbetween. It is a completely unfair and unjust statement to say that if you can't handle LSD, you can't handle DMT. The bodily feelings are different. The visuals/visions are different. The head space and emotional content are different in my experience. The entire aesthetic of the experience is different. And probably the most important factor when it all boils down to it is duration.

Part of what can manifest a nightmare bad trip with mushrooms or LSD is due to their duration in which if a negative experience is initiated, with the additional knowledge that it may take you several hours of being in such an anxious mind state, then it can present many problems. It can be easier to let go in and of itself with the knowledge that even with a gigantic nightmare, it can do a 180 within minutes. It's the knowing that you're not gonna be stuck. When you think or know you are stuck, it can feed into the anxiety loop.

Agreed. A bad DMT trip would probably be one of the worst feelings... The issue is, how often DMT trips actually go wrong and how long you have to put up with it. I find it very hard when staring at a wall of constantly morphing geometric entities to have any thought less that " ... "

DMT is really short lasting and doesn't let your mind spiral out into loops like you do on LSD. I've had 2 bad DMT trips and 1 bad LSD trip. The DMT trips were completely my fault. I was naive about hallucinogens and took them in terrible settings. Seeing as it's a smoked drug and I don't have to take it all at once like LSD, as soon as I recognized that the trip was going bad I stopped smoking it and rode out the subbreakthrough terror. While intensely uncomfortable and a little rattling to my psyche, I was completely aware of the fact that within 30 minutes my head would be fully back to normal. My bad LSD trip, however, didn't take much to set it on the wrong course. Once it hit time felt absolutely endless. My body was feeling conflicting emotions and conflicting sensations. I rode that for about 2 hours until my peak finally ended. That was the worst experience of my life. DMT has never made me fear my sanity the way LSD has.

Agreed. A bad DMT trip would probably be one of the worst feelings... The issue is, how often DMT trips actually go wrong and how long you have to put up with it. I find it very hard when staring at a wall of constantly morphing geometric entities to have any thought less that " ... "

DMT is really short lasting and doesn't let your mind spiral out into loops like you do on LSD. I've had 2 bad DMT trips and 1 bad LSD trip. The DMT trips were completely my fault. I was naive about hallucinogens and took them in terrible settings. Seeing as it's a smoked drug and I don't have to take it all at once like LSD, as soon as I recognized that the trip was going bad I stopped smoking it and rode out the subbreakthrough terror. While intensely uncomfortable and a little rattling to my psyche, I was completely aware of the fact that within 30 minutes my head would be fully back to normal. My bad LSD trip, however, didn't take much to set it on the wrong course. Once it hit time felt absolutely endless. My body was feeling conflicting emotions and conflicting sensations. I rode that for about 2 hours until my peak finally ended. That was the worst experience of my life. DMT has never made me fear my sanity the way LSD has.

I think here everyone is comparing LSD with smoked DMT.. to me seems more fair comparing oral dmt with lsd, oral dmt it's not really much shorter than lsd some times (maybe two hours shorter?).

Aniway i think, like someone said, that it all depends from set and setting, and also what your first impression of a substance where.

For example, i never had a bad trip on LSD. I remember the first time i took it, i tought: "how can people have bad times on this drug, it's absolutely wonderful". So since my first experience with it was positive, i never had any paranoia whenever i took it. I also took lsd in bad settings, or with a not 100% ok set, and all went well, even at strong doses.

On the other hand, mushrooms kicked my ass. I tryed them long after LSD, growth them myself. I suppose im a bit influenced by the plant ally thing, and shamanism and such, so maybe this influence my set and almost everytime with shrooms i have rough eperience, with purging,emotional discomfort, personal confrontation and such.

So in the end, it all boil down to the fear and expectation you have IMO

Thanks for reminding me. When I was typing up my post, I got to the end, and knew I had something else to say and couldn't remember. I wanted to add, it's not uniquely about the duration. I've had ayahuasca and pharmahuasca experiences that have lasted 8+ hours. The visuals can be quite similar to visuals I've experienced on mushrooms, and even taking into account that aya/pharma immobilize me to a much greater extent than mushrooms along with the intense nausea and feelings of sedation, I still find aya/pharma to be significantly more up my ally than mushrooms from my experiences. My acid trips persist for far longer than mushrooms, and yet I still find LSD significantly more pleasant than mushrooms.