I have made a machine out of a mini corona bottle that I found. The way I load it is I set it upright on a table and put spice on top of the wool. I then heat the neck of the bottle so that the spice sticks to the wool (really a stainless steel scouring pad). I then flip it upsidedown to vape it. This is the part I am confused about as I have read so many different ways about how to apply the heat. Here are some of the ways.

1. Just heat the neck of the bottle with a pocket jet lighter - (I find that this does not apply enough heat to vaporize it, or it takes too long due to the thick glass in the neck of the bottle.)

2. Use a bic lighter about an inch from the base - (I find this difficult because as one inhales it draws the flame closer thus making it hotter and you have to move it away, this gets tough the deeper you go)

3. Use the pocket jet lighter under it so as not to touch the steel wool but direct the heat to it - (this has been the best way so far, my concerns are that it might get too hot and i am burning it and dont realize it. It is tough to find the sweet spot but when you do it is good. I had good success in swiping the flame past the bottom back and forth and it gives short bursts of smoke)

Which of these ways are correct or is it something else? Also can you tell the difference between vaporizing it properly or if you are burning it. I remember my last voyage I got such a big plume of smoke (or vapor) that it made me cough it out and I got scared that I lit the stainless steel scouring pad on fire and I breathed in fumes, though I know I didn't because I preheated it to be red hot to get the stuff off of it from manufacturing and also it wasn't on the heat nearly enough. Obviously you aren't thinking the best as this is taking place but I was just curious on how to apply the heat during this stage as I have read so many different things or it is too vague. I am having trouble getting the full 50mg, I think it might take some time before I can get this down.

I may be misunderstanding what you're saying but it sounds like your crystals might be on the wrong end of the steel wool. The steel should be between the crystals and the flame so it can act as a heat shield, that way you can get the lighter pretty close to it but only hot air will make it through to the crystals.

Oh and BTW I like your username.

You understood me right! I used to do it the way you told me but I recently read to try it that flipped way, but it was a little harsh I thought, thanks for the insight.

Thanks about liking the username! It's my little tribute to my favorite band

I haven't tried making one with a bottle personally, but I think what I'd do is take a piece of steel or brass screen larger than te bottle neck and stuff it down in there just past where the steel wool goes, put your spice on top of that, then maybe another smaller screen on top of that, then the steel wool.

Also not sure I'd want to go with a "mini" bottle, seems like the bigger your chamber the bigger hits you can get, right?



Yeah that's kinda what I figured, they're my favorite too. Plus it refers to one (or two?) of my most favorite songs at the same time! And I guess I'm a fan of bowls as well.

I hold the BIC lighter below, but I hold it around 4-6 inches away. Funny: I never thought to melt the DMT into the steel wool the other way. I bet both techniques work equally well as long as you are holding the lighter far enough away so as not to burn the DMT when vaping it.

Haha yep, its all one song to me. I always listen to them together. And yep i enjoy me a nice bowl as well I have never listened to them while on a journey with the elf spice but they are unreal to listen to with some good fungi. I love introducing new people to them when we are in that mind state Ah I love it.



I just went with the mini because i figured it more closely resembled the small hennessey bottle used.

Hmm, that leads me to another question. Are you inhaling as you vape it or do you hold the lighter under and let the bottle fill up then hit it? I have been doing it all at once, sucking in with the lighter under it.

hixidom, thanks for the response. Yea, I never thought of that reverse way either until I came across it yesterday and started thinking am I doing this all wrong?!?! haha. I was getting some enormous plumes of smoke that way. seems to be more instant. That way you arent heating up the steel wool under it as much and getting any possible fumes but i imagine you have to be more exact with your heating.

Haha yep, its all one song to me. I always listen to them together. And yep i enjoy me a nice bowl as well I have never listened to them while on a journey with the elf spice but they are unreal to listen to with some good fungi. I love introducing new people to them when we are in that mind state Ah I love it.



I just went with the mini because i figured it more closely resembled the small hennessey bottle used.

Hmm, that leads me to another question. Are you inhaling as you vape it or do you hold the lighter under and let the bottle fill up then hit it? I have been doing it all at once, sucking in with the lighter under it.

hixidom, thanks for the response. Yea, I never thought of that reverse way either until I came across it yesterday and started thinking am I doing this all wrong?!?! haha. I was getting some enormous plumes of smoke that way. seems to be more instant. That way you arent heating up the steel wool under it as much and getting any possible fumes but i imagine you have to be more exact with your heating.

I've been experimenting with different vaporizing methods and devices for a few months now, and getting all the variables just perfect can be really tricky. It's definitely more technical than smoking bud. Don't get me wrong, sub-threshold experiences are AWESOME, but to go all the way you really need to get a HUGE hit, preferably inhaled all at once and held as long as possible. So it really helps to have a big chamber you can pre-load with the whole dose, then empty your lungs and go for it. Plus like you hinted at, if you're taking multiple hits it can really be a pain having to coordinate messing with working your pipe and lighter once you start getting close. Some people get a sitter to help with that but personally I don't have that luxury.

So after going through like a gram messing with a "machine" style pipe, a GVG, sandwish style in a weed pipe, and the ghetto tinfoil/bottle thing (whatever that's called), IMO you should save yourself all that trouble and just do THIS. I really think that's going to give you the best bang for your buck, and give you the best chance of breaking through. If you can get some Caapi or Rue to go along with it, that's even better.



Yeah it's always kind of annoyed me how they split the song up like that, you never get to hear the whole thing if your player is on shuffle.

I've made myself a playlist of what I consider to be their most uplifting and "spiritual" songs off the last two albums, and I play it every time I smoke spice. I'm usually on a low dose of shrooms at the same time. It's kind of become like a ritual for me. I try to meditate on the music through the first 45 minutes or so, while watching my favorite visualization presets on Milkdrop, trying my best not to think about anything else. Then when it gets to Parabola is when I start going for the breakthrough hit, and it all peaks during Reflection, which is hands down the most meaningful song for me ever. If you've never tried something like that I highly recommend it.

That is an interesting technique with the bong, I have tried a gravity bong before and it is ok but i feel that warmer smoke is less harsh for some reason. When it cools off it tends to irritate my throat more. Maybe i can try a bigger bottle or use a sitter too. I always have one or two good friends alongside. When the bottle has a bigger chamber and is loaded are you inhaling in to suck the smoke in to load it or do you just heat it up and let it do its thing? I am probably just looking into this too much. I really don't smoke that much so I am not used to such heavy hits. I have been focusing on trying to squeeze my throat tight when i try to cough. It is funny but it works, the problem is i forget to do it when i start going deep.


Ah man i love finding fellow tool enthusiasts, I can go on all day about them. I am a guitarist so they really fascinate me as to the levels they have achieved in their music. I feel like they have really brought something back from the psychedelic world. I am with you 100% on reflection. That is my go to song as well. Eulogy and Forty Six and Two are my favorites to journey to off of Aenima. The Lateralus album is just amazing throughout. I have recently found that a surprisingly AMAZING song to listen to is Ticks and Leeches. I dismissed that as just some hard rock song. Maynards bloodcurling scream is unreal and the drums at the end are intense! I highly recommend giving it a try!

You could use a bong and still get warm vapor, just don't put any water in it. The smoke doesn't actually go through the water in a gravity bong so it doesn't seem like that should affect it, but maybe it has time to cool off a little just from sitting in there for a minute. If you use a bottle or with anything really I'd say inhale very lightly just to get the chamber to fill, then empty your lungs COMPLETELY and get the biggest hit off it you can possibly manage.

The less time it takes you to get the full dose into you, the better the effect should be, which is why the big chanber on a bong works so well. If you take 3 hits off the machine and hold each one for 30 or 45 seconds, and have to spend time lighting it and filling the chamber again after each one, by the time you're done the effects of the first hit are already starting to wear off, and you are also building up tolerance the whole time. You can easily end up just chasing your tail.

Of course, if you make Changa with MAOI, or take some orally before vaping, none of that should really be an issue.

I like Tool's guitar a lot it's really understated, not showing off at all but always perfect for the mood they're trying to set. And Maynard's just a genius, no doubt about it. They don't have any bad songs as far as I'm concerned, just varying degrees of awesome. I also really like a lot of what he's been doing with Puscifer too but it's a very different vibe of course.

I've been using the machine exclusively since I started. I read this thread and realized that I've been doing it "backwards" too, so I tried dropping the spice down inside rather than setting it on the mouth of the bottle like I'd been doing. Then, I pointed the lighter at the steel wool. I got me a HUGE lungful of smoke and burnt steel... yucky. had about 40 mg charged in there. Didn't work as well as my previous method of heating the bottle neck and wool, then, as soon as it's melted, I hold the lighter a tiny bit away from the tip of the bottle and let the wool heat up from the ambient temp. rather than from the direct flame. This has been a good method that I will definitely go back to after tonight.

The bong technique sounds intriguing. I haven't owned a bong for a good long time, as I don't use cannabis due to corporate drug testing policies. Can't bust me for the endogenous neurotransmitters! I might just have to get a cheap plastic one to try this out.

You probably know this already but just in case you missed it somehow... steel wool/brillo/choreboy is usually steel that's coated with other stuff... you need to burn off all that other stuff off in a really hot flame before using it so you only have the steel core left, which doesn't burn. You really don't want to be breathing whatever they coat those things with! Mine for example was covered in a layer of copper... it would be very bad to inhale that. Ran it in front of a torch flame for a minute or so and burned it all off, now its just shiny steel and doesnt smoke at all when heated.

Burn that crap off (outdoors!) and try again, it should be silver not black or any other color. Having the spice on the other side of the steel really helps keep the temperature right.

If you can fashion a metal cap with a screen inside...it really works..
and you can hold it horizontally...
See here:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=35040

I have been vaping with the machine for a couple months now, and I struggled with it quite a bit for the first month or so. After honing my technique, this is how I do it, with much success:

First, you want to make sure you have enough steel wool/brillo inside the neck of the bottle. I found filling three quarters of the neck with steel wool that is packed in fairly tight, but not so much that when you draw on it, you feel resistance. Next, as crazyhorse stated, the best way to load it is HANDS DOWN from inside the bottle. This allows for a heat shield, and proper, even heating of the DMT. If you filled it three quarters of the way with steel wool, you can pretty much hold the lighter as close as you want to the steel wool (within reason), and it still won't burn the DMT.

When loading, put your 25-35mg dose in through the inside of the machine, and hold a lighter an inch or so underneath the neck of the bottle, rotating the bottle slowly. This gently melts the DMT into the steel wool, spreading it across the surface area of the steel wool (making for easy vaping of the spice) I pull the lighter away once I see the spice is melted into the wool, and keep rotating the bottle slowly for about a minute or so.

To vape, I point the neck of the bottle towards the ground, and hold the lighter about 1.5-2 inches below the mouth of the bottle, inhaling SLOWLY at first, then once I see vapor coming through, I start drawing harder, adjusting the flame closer or further, if needed. Keep going as long as you can, try to get the whole 25-35mg in one hit, if possible. This takes a little practice, but I find that I can have a strong breakthrough on 35mg 99% of the time now, getting it in one hit. The vapor is also quite easy to hold in, when the machine is used properly Hope this helps anybody that is struggling with the machine! I'm getting a GVG in the mail this week, so I don't know how long I'll be using the machine but it served me well once I got technique down, and you can't beat the price tag!

So if I am understanding this correctly...

You place the wool in the neck, pack it reasonably tight; and through the drilled hole, you place the spice atop the wool from within the bottle, and then melt the spice into the wool by indirect heat. And then you inhale while holding the flame near the mouth of the bottle?

How dense should the smoke be, or would it be more like vapor?