This is kinda turning into a witch hunt for Eliyahu. I myself find his posts very intriguing. I haven't seen once where he's stating that what he's saying is utter fact. And what he says about some gay guys that search out straight men to blow them is a reality. This does happen A LOT. Even on a couple of rogans podcasts he himself has brought up noticing this and Bryan callen made out with a chick that was a guy but didn't tell him till he found out. The fact that many guys that dress as girls and don't say anything is a fact alone that proves it does happen. Not once did Eli say all of them do this.

So god told me today that there can´t be such things as screwdrivers, and here is the proof: if there would be such things as screwdrivers, then you would expect them to drive screws, wouldn´t you? But screws can´t drive, so if there would indeed be screwdrivers, then they wouldn´t be screwdrivers, as screws can´t drive. But that´s a logical impossibility, because then there would be screwdrivers that wouldn´t be screwdrivers. So if there would be screwdrivers, we would have a situation that is a logical impossibility. Therefore there is only one option left: there are no screwdrivers.
Can´t argue with god. He´d strike you down with his lightning rod. Talking about opressed homosexual urges...up there is a good candidate. The vatican has got a picture on a ceiling somewhere, of him on a playing with a bunch of naked guys, wearing only a white towel.

Not here it doesn't. When I google hitler occult I get the wikipedia page I mentioned as top result, and below that there's stuff about the illuminati and new world order and I've had it up to my eyeballs with that stuff. It may all be true but I find it an irritating topic.

The swastika may well be an occult symbol, but I've never heard anything about that (I'll google ). If it is then that came afterwards, since it originated in India and is linked to Buddhism and Hinduism. I'm not saying you are wrong though, it could be an occult symbol as well.

I have no reason to be impolite with you. As I said I'm not attacking your character, you seem like a nice guy. It's just my nature to question things, and unfortunately that often leads to a perceived heated argument, when in fact I'm just being curious and sceptical. 2 traits that I view as a positive thing.

anrchy: I find Eliyahu's posts intriguing as well, or I wouldn't waste my time talking to him. For the most part if I don't like someone I'll just not talk to them. I can see that this is starting to look a bit witch huntish, but that's not my intention. Eliyahu doesn't claim overtly that what he is saying is the truth, but he presents it as such by his use of language. If I say "hitler was an occultist, this is common knowledge" that is a statement of fact.

OK...now I forgive you for posting my fateful typo....

A few posts have been cleaned up somewhat here so I will unlock this thread now..

The relevant point made about homosexuality in relation to atheism here seems to be abrahamic religion often claims that god does not support homosexuality or w/e so that leads some people away from the idea of god. That was the only part I can really understand as being relevant here.

Lets not let this topic go downhill and become a back and forth thing unrelated to the origional topic.

I thought we were talking about whether or not Religious anti-gay activists had homosexual tendencies or not, and how religion can cause such things by repression.

For the record, nothing I said was anti-gay, I dont take any anti-gay position, and hope that no one was offended in the process of calling out Eliyahu's promiscuous activities.

So, HYPER SPACEFOOL, since my knowledge on de-cyphering codes in the bible is lacking (and yours seem educated) I am interested in anything you would say about ---> post #243.

Man this thread is awesome, just wish I had more knowledge about some stuff, cause you guys will go on a tangent I have no clue about. But am learning =)

Thanks for openin' er' back up Jamie!!


Just to clarify bible codes and kabbalah are really not the same thing...Kabbalah is a more of a metaphorical system than a true code.

Bible code was a thing that claimed to spell out the future and current events to some degree, to my knowledge.

As exciting as it sounds I believe the bible code thing was pretty well debunct.
because they did similar things with books like war and peace.

actually I'm speaking more about reading into the bible and how HF speaks of it being written in code (i think), kind of like how you can read into the bible metaphorically so on and so forth.

Eliyahu - I realised something interesting. You were bringing up Hitler being an "occultist", Kabbalah comes under occult as well does it not? So are you an occultist? I assumed when you referenced Hitler and the occult that you were meaning that it is a bad thing to be involved in the occult, but perhaps that was not what you were inferring?

Yeah I sort of view the occult as a generic thing that could be used for good or evil purposes...I kno when most religious people say "occult" they mean evil witches or something..

I just mean esoteric information....

This is just my theory but I believe that Hitler thought he could interfere with the will of YHWH by killing all the jews...because no jews, no armageddon, no book of revelations coming true.. The Nazi's thought they could be rid of the Jews and effectively void armageddon and therefore rule indefinitley. That is just my personal theory on it.

Also the swastika bears some resemblance to not only hindu and american indian symbols but also looks like an Aleph the first letter of the hebrew aleph bet.


The swastika is tilted to the left to signify the following of the left hand path as far as I am aware.

Oh ok man....it's a little confusing cuz there is just regular bible code and then kabbalistic code..

Fair enough. For me personally that makes it irrelevant. Makes no difference to me if he was Catholic or an occultist or a Scientologist. I thought you meant it in a kind of sinister satanist way, but I didn't really know what "occult" meant so I googled it and found that it is a kinda blanket term under which Kabbalah also falls. I judge him based on his actions and on what he said, and my judgement is that he was quite sincere, quite intelligent... and, as someone else said, batshit crazy and psychopathically deluded. I actually don't think he is the devil that he is portrayed as. After watching the film Downfall (a great film if you haven't seen it) I realised that it actually appeared that he really felt he was doing the right thing. So in that sense, I respect him. I always have at least a modicum of respect for people who do what they genuinely believe to be the best course of action. It's just unfortunate that he was sooooo wrong and that he was around in a society that was ripe for some nut like him to step in a cause a lot of problems. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending his actions at all and I would have been violently opposed to him if I was around at that time.

Hitler was charazmatic but he was not the head man in charge. IMO the SS was in charge and he was their puppet.

I personally believe the occult thing was their driving force so it has total relevance IMO

"Occult" is esoteric science and just like regular science it can be used for evil or good.


Here is a link for you at from a skeptics website about it

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2450/were-hitler-and-the-nazis-obsessed-with-the-occult

"The swastika is tilted to the left to signify the following of the left hand path as far as I am aware."

Depends on your take on what the "left hand path" really means. The term has been distorted and is not really a reflection of anything negative. It certainly should not be assoicated with the nazi's.

The whole idea of the left hand path is something I gravitate towards..but at the end of the day I sort of think the whole docotemy here is a load of BS..who here is really that black or white?

The whole nazi party was just insane..they were obcessed with the vedas and based on certain interpretations they believed that the solar system had been populated at one point by some aryan acenstors of theirs and therefore they had the rightful ownership of it all..they believed that if they went off into space they would find all these weird technologies etc from long ago that they had the right to claim. This is why they were the first ones to be working on a space progrom..it is no wonder that they had the most advanced scientists in the field and were given a "get of of free card" after the war and just brought over to the US to keep on working on what was to later become NASA.

These people believed they had the right to claim the solar system as their own..thats not what the left hand path is about..its just what stupid arrogance and ego is about.

Ahhh... the whole 'you can read into anything and make your own film out of any remotely vague source material' thing. I liked your tallies about the amount of definitions for those well worn words a lot, though Ancient Hebrew is not quite as awash with multiple definitions as modern English. (Unless Jamie's clean up changed the numbering, I guess this is the post you are referring to?)

I suppose I briefly acknowledged this in a post or two... but I will state it plainly. You are correct IMO. People are great at finding patterns where there may not have been any, and they are really freaking awesome at seeing whatever it is that they want to see.

But, I submit that this is not a strike against Qabbalah, but rather a recognition that these folks knew this about us, and used it to their advantage. As I said, the lore is that anyone looking into the Torah (the extended name of G*d) will see their OWN story there. We are stuck with Moses' story (as tweaked by time and culture) for the most part. And, while it is a fascinating book (most influential of all time)... it is not my story per se.

Qabbalah allows you to dig into this same data set and come up with gems that speak directly to you and your current level. It also ensures that Jews will find different truths there than the goyim.

Personally, I have found that anything can be used as a divination tool for these same reasons. I know 7 systems of astrology... and they all work. They use different constellations, measure different cycles, and some have little or no connection to the actual stars and their patterns whatsoever... but they all manage to describe me, my family, and friends in a way that rings true. Tarot cards work... every deck I have tried, whatever cards they choose to include. The I Ching works. Palm reading , tea leaves, retina analysis, handwriting analysis... this stuff all works.

But so does opening up the nearest book to any page and pointing at a line. In fact, think about anything you want insight into with your eyes closed while in an unfamiliar environment or on a bus or train etc. & then open your eyes... the first few things you glance at will be related to your subject in some fashion. The human brain is awesome like that.

Just because it may be a product of our imposing our desires for certain patterns onto what may be a random data set... doesn't make it any less useful. And, a case can be made for the craft in certain sets of data. The wisdom of the I Ching is not merely random. It mirrors the 64 codons of the DNA and is mathematically perfect. Besides, the traditional readings contain millennia of Chinese aphorisms and knowledge. The Torah is like this for a Qabbalist... only orders of magnitude bigger and with secret knowledge of how to become a prophet embedded in it.

Take it or leave it... but them's my 2c. Love the tweak on my username... might have to go with that for a while.

Actually, Gematria and other cryptology tools have been a part of Qabbalah since there were books on the subject. The Ari, Moshe Cordevero and all of their contemporaries used this stuff. I would say that Bible Codes are a subset of Qabbalah... a branch of a much larger practice which includes all manner of esoteric information.

See my post above as to why being able to analyze codes in War & Peace in no way diminishes the truths to be found in using such codes to unlock the Torah.

Then see the movie Pi as to why you shouldn't program a computer to decode the Torah for you.

I wanted to weigh in on the Occult topic briefly.

Occult comes from the Roman idea of "hidden knowledge." Thus, any esoteric school of thought, any secret knowledge, any rare practice even could be considered occult.

While the term tends to smack of cults (it contains the word) and sketchy magikal beliefs ala Crowley et. al., technically even intelligence agencies are occult groups. Qabbalah is generally classified as occult, often because of the whole medieval perception of Qabbalists as wizards.

The Occult that Hitler and Company were obsessed with was of a wide variety. It was a mix of Viking / Norse legends (he was a member of the Thule Society), Hindu Vedas, Zoroastrianism, Qabbalah, Egyptology and the late 19th century occultism that informed characters like Crowley and Madame Blavatsky. Basically these nuts thought the Germanic people were the Aryans... Persians basically. The Aryans were a group of light skinned people who came out of the Caucus mountains and conquered Persia, Afghanistan and Northern India. The Vedas are said to be their work.

Due to linguistic connections between European languages and Sanskrit, many languages are now called Indo-European, and the idea of a proto-culture is not out of the question. There are still people who teach that the Vedas are the Germanic people's heritage. As well as people who think it is the Slavs who are the original Aryan Vedic Empire. Some even suggest that it is the Celtic people who are the OG Aryans.

Anyway, if you ever saw the Indiana Jones movies, you will be familiar with the occultist aspirations of the Nazis. They actually did send people searching for magical artifacts, the Ark of the Covenant, the Spear of Longinus, lost cities... lost continents even. Google Thule Society, Vril Society, Maria Orsic, Vedic Empire and other related stuff. Maria Orsic is a very compelling character in the formation of the Nazi inner circle. A very beautiful and intelligent woman who was about as occult as you can get without turning into a Disney character.

This stuff is deep, and well documented. If you have even a remote interest in it, you will see that not just the Nazis, but most of the purported power players who claimed outwardly to be good Christians... were really serious occultists. This includes the Freemasons and the various splinter groups. (This is why so much Illuminati stuff comes up when you google these things) Masonry is all about the occult. It is not a Christian faith, but goes back to Ancient Egypt... or so the story goes anyway. The fact that most of the Founding Fathers were Freemasons is something that people should know, though.

I will end this here, as these occult threads tend to tread on the very strict anti-CT policy we have going here at the Nexus. I think the Mods will recognize that I only brought up these "secret societies" in the context of establishing the Nazis as occultists.

All the best my peeps
HF

HF thank you for that illumination.... I'm sure the MODS will recognizee that we weren't going down a CT road with this stuff. Anyway I think this is a good point in the thread to put the discussion about Nazi's and sexual prefrences to rest.

So on with the thread!!!

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I am now curius about this.....

How many athiests are open to the Idea of aliens? My grandfather was such a person. He always thought religion was pure hogwash but he loved to talk about how aliens might exist...

In my mind the two issues are identical. Aliens can conceal there existence just as God does.

Basically what I'm getting at is I would like to hear from any athiests who believe in aliens but not in God..

OR anything else relavant to the thread.....

LOL Iv'e seen it.... I like requim for a dream better though..