Does anyone know how many plants SWIM would need for a few doses for himself?

SWIM just wants enough so that as soon as he starts feeling addicted hes already out & cant grow anymore, ya digg?

any suggestions on would be helpful thanks!

Swim used to grow his own. If your using good seed and the plants are properly spaced one plant can make several cups of poppy tea. But as Burroughs said "LOOK DOWN along that junk road before you travel .."

haha yea well swim wasnt thinking about doing heroin & has already experimented with oxy & hydros.

Is tea better than smoking?

It take many pods to scrape a significant amount of opium. The easiast path from plant to product is tea and it can be STRONG. People have overdoesed just on the tea.

Some people say that you can't become an alcoholic from just drinking beer. But in any form this stuff is addictive especially if your biochemistry is geared to enjoy it.

So this way it takes only a few pods? ..how many would swim need to scrape?

supposedly even the foliage and flowers are usable.

In my experience it takes a significant number of plants to scape a decent smokable quantity(at least 10-20)... as Ubik said a tea prepared with the plant material is probably a better method for getting the most out of it...especially if acidified a bit with lemon sqeeze...but as he said use caution and start small as it's definitey not terribly hard to overdose on opiates

Anywhere from a few to ten pods is usually good for a nice tea (dose can vary a lot so start low). Scraping opium isn't worth it unless you have lots and lots of pods. You can smoke the crude stuff from the pods and it will work but you really need a lot of pods to get chunks. To get high quality smokable opium the crude stuff that is scraped needs to be cooked also. There is lots of info on how its cooked during heroin manufacturing.

There's no set dose for Poppy Pod Tea--I'm a rather large fan of the stuff actually. Beginning doses are good from 5-10 grams of pod material. I personally like a solid 15-20g drink to soothe the weariness, but be sure to test your materials before brewing.

You're best off growing and drying the pods rather than scoring them because it takes a lot of skill to correctly score the pods without losing precious opium to either the dirt or an internal drip from a bad score.

If you don't have seeds, buy some already-dried pods to test the waters with the tea, plus the natural seeds in the pod are much more likely to flower than grocery-store seeds. Plus you'll know they're of the correct strain (Papaver Somniferum).

Also, pods even from the same garden can vary greatly in strength so it is best grinding up all the material at once and weighing out by-the-gram for each dosing session so that you can establish a set-rate of opiate alkaloids.

At one time swim thought about growing poppy's but once he realized how many it would take to even be worth it.

IMPO.....some drugs are better off not even experimented with but that statement is said w/10yrs. of IV addiction battle behind it.

My personal opinion if someone wanted to try a true opiate experience.... should wait untill getting some real persian or asian opium and make a weekend opium den.

That is worth trying....but some drugs feel to good and come w/ too large A "down side" and should be left alone but once again i am speaking biasedly.

Thanks for all the help buds!

I think i will just make a tea if even that, maybe just go buy some oxy's
(pretty much the same high, if not better right?)

& get all high for a weekend.

Dude....just be careful w/ opiates. I've seen people unintentionally go down a very bad road w/them and i speak from experience.

All i'm saying is be careful.

Thanks man. Yea, ive seen & heard some stories as well.. not to mention heroin.

This wouldnt be my first time trying pills, but yea they can be addictinmg & just arent worth it.

I think im just gonna forget about them.

The problems with opiates is prohibition. Aside form prohibition they really have zero negative effects aside from addiction although many things are addictive. That said the current system is one of prohibition and thus very dangerous. Not knowing what you are taking and the dose of a substance with a low therapeutic index is a very very big risk that has left a lot of people who have tried it behind. Not to mention all the other filth that it is cut with. I know of 5 people who have died from heroin (or actually fentanyl), however there is no debate that had they known what they were taking and how much they would still be here today.

Additionally the high prices and impure street opiates forces people to use IV to save money and steal to support their habit. If we look at what opiate usage was like prior to prohibition we see virtually no harmful effects. Many normal and successful people used opiates their entire lives and lived to great ages, its use was not associated with crime, overodose or even IV use (some people did but not all).

I am not advocating opiates and I agree with Dwhitty76 and say that from experience I would recommend staying away from stronger opiates, if only because of prohibition. It is much easier to get caught up in this thing than one thinks. Even though it is only a monster because of prohibition that does not negate the fact the prohibition is currently the law of the land. It is just not worth it, it is very hard to ever stop using opiates, if you are one who enjoys them, which only 10-15% of people who try them do. I think one will be fine from using opium occasionally, in SWIMs opinion it is a very different effect than other opiates. Also you need a field to get a decent amount of opium for personal use. Unless you have extra acres good luck even trying to develop a habit.

From my experience about 20 plants should do nicely. I recommend a southern exposure and against a wall if at all possible to reflect heat. Save the first handfull of pods for seed stock, but definitely bleed them before cutting. After that I like to nip the little suckers just after the petals fall off and chew them while they are still tender and potent. I do this for about 2-3 weeks twice a week and then allow the pods to do their thing and collect their tears. When the plants are giving up their collective ghosts I harvest all the pods and dry them out and remove the seeds before making tea out of them. I also like to remove the foliage and run it through a juicer and run some strawberries or grapes behind them for flavor, this is actually one of the bests buzzes of the season. All in all much more than 20 plants runs you into the strong possibility of addiction/withdrawals, though as you can see I am less interested in opium per se than the opiates themselves. I make very little opium that would be of use for showing off to friends, and if it is only opium that you are interested in then you may need more plants, but again if it is opiates then keep it low-key or you will get yourself in trouble.

I really have yet to find anything to disagree with.

You pulled words out of my brain!

You CAN scrape them for their sap, then, you can still make tea afterwards. Once you slice the pods, the "O" gets replenished by the plant. Just like how the human body produces more blood if you lose some. Same thing. That's the best way to get the most out of them. The absolute HIGHEST "O" yielding poppies I've grown are my "Izmir Afghanistan" strain .

Can smokable opium be had from dried poppies or do they need to be scorred fresh poppies. I don't like the idea of tea's since the art is so imprecise compared to a smokable extract.

I would imagine that that's the case. You can have either opium while they are fresh, or pod tea later on. Someone asked this earlier, apparently doing an extraction on dry pods is worthless

No, it is very hard to make pods into opium. I remember Murple had a tek to do this, but it was rather complicated and too advanced for the likes of this kitchen kemist.

plus, I no longer want to head down that road.