Well, on a different thread I saw some stuff about adding cinnamon essential oil to LSA to make yet another adduct. Supposedly cinnamon essential oil has all sorts of acetaldehydes for LSA to join to. Here is the link


http://herbs.maxforum.or...-cinnamon-essential-oil/

Im highly skeptical, especially considering who was the main poster on the topic is... But nevertheless, I can't help but have some shard of hope that there is the tiniest bit of validity to it. Thoughts?

Probably same crap as the supposed lsh tek, i say meh.

I dont know if it works or not but guess which store sells "Cinnamon bark essential oil".

O god, old 69ron is at it again with his "LSD-Like" claims. Bust out your wallets people...

You want something LSD-Like?

EAT LSD!!!!!!!!!!!

More BS from a legendary BSer.

lol..who knows maybe it does work..or maybe it is just cinnamon oil wtih LSA..

I have tested cinnamon oil before and I did get some stimulating sort of effects..maybe sort of empathic..could be just the cinnamon oil alone synergises with the LSA..

Fractal, that was my guess too.

If one were to try the experiment, lets just say make some seed much out of ground HBWR and cinnamon essential oil, here are my thoughts on what would happen.

At the very least..... Hey, at least you took some LSA. That counts for something right?
At the most, a synergystic effect between the two, like two feelings that go good together, rather than an entirely different feelings.

Maybe I'll give it a go, just mix up some HBWR and some cinnamon and capsulate it. Ill let you guys know how it turns out.

No one cares. I eat cinnamon for breakfast. This is just another ridiculously pathetic marketing attempt by baRon.

LSD > any BS essential oil combo.

Harsh words house. Hopefully they were meant towards the article.

All I was trying to say is it can't hurt to try it. Cinnamon is just plain delicious, and LSA is fun. No harm no foul right?

Fresh ololiuqui can be virtually indistinguishable from LSD. If you grow it yourself, you'll have a top-quality psychedelic growing in your garden that'll have cost you nothing.

You don't need to add anything.

I was sceptical of these claims myself as well, because of some lame morning glory experiences that just got me sedated. But it realy works.

Fresh ololuiqui is comparable to very pure, high quality acid.

Polytrip, I am skeptical, but seeing as how this is coming from you, I will take your word for it and experiment with a high dose of ololuiqui someday. I will see if I can get some plants started for my garden. I am highly skeptical anything can be like LSD, after using lots of L, lots of the many diff. chems that are distributed as L, trying morning glory and HBWR. I will try these seeds next.

What was your dose?

And forgive me, I get really pissed when I see rons stupid ideas flood into our forum. I don't think anybody should be supporting his twisted marketing techniques.

I don't exactly remember how much of it is needed.
Fractal enchantment is more experienced with these seeds then i, i believe so he'll know from the back of his head. he has said more than once that ololiuqui has blown his mind on several occasions, so i'm not the only one with these experiences.

The first time i discovered it, i was just taking some of these seeds because i wanted to get stoned, like with morning glory. I took a walk and after one hour, i still didn't feel anything. At a certain moment i no longer believed anything would happen..apparently ololiuqui takes a little more time to work.

Then all of a sudden i started having these LSD-visuals and headspace!!! Wonderfull stuff. The only reason i don't do this more often is because that i just like shrooms and ayahuasca more.

it was morning glories-the heavenly blues, that I had a very powerful experience with, complete with hyperspacey visions..and only with fresher seeds. I have tried seeds from home depot and they just did not get me there. I also tried HBWR and got some nice effects but they were mild and much shorter lived..I have not yet tried rivea corymbosa. The time I got good morning glory seeds it was far more visionary than LSD was for me and easily on par mentally with my best LSD experience. LSD was very mentally psychedelic, but lacked the visions of the morning glories..but the morning glories seemed to have both the deep visions and the mental aspect. I only ever took LSA seeds about 4-5 times, and not for about 5 years or more. I will try rivea corymbosa this year.

Minxx has a bunch of rivea corymbosa seeds here..and some HBWR..she said she she likes the corymbosa but the HBWR just made her sick.

I was under the impression ololiuqui would not seed outside of a (semi)tropical environment?

I have also had very profound experiences that I would compare to a couple hundred micrograms of good L (although much shorter lasting) from fresh Hawaiian strain HBRW seeds, there definitely is something to the fresh seeds.

The whole acetaldehyde makes LSH thing is bunk ime, that applies to mint, rum, cinnamon or whatever other kitchen spice ron decides to sell next

If you turn the "a" in baron upside down it spells b9ron (69ron)...oops! I forgott, no conspiracy theories

House, I understand. His less than legitimate track record could be enough to put anyone off. My aim was definitely not to support him in the slightest. It was just genuine curiosity that I wanted some good opinions on.

While were at it though, what the general consensus on the psychoactivity of essential oils? bunk/legit?

I have tried all three LSA carriers, and I must say my best/favorite experience was with the Corymbosa. I ground up 38 seeds and capped them. It was a really fun, uplifting experience. Sadly though, I have never obtained visuals. Morning glory felt the strangest and most foreign, and while i felt a little high from HBWR, It made all my muscles really tight and I found myself stretching a lot to ease it.

"While were at it though, what the general consensus on the psychoactivity of essential oils? bunk/legit?"


I think *some* essential oils are basically proven to be what some claim... I dont know about elemi oil. Cinnamon oil worked for me but it was not like a hit of acid..I just had a drop or 2 and it was a stimulant sort of feeling..mildly empathic maybe..I dunno I only did it once hard to really say what it was like but it was there..

Nutmeg oil I am sure must work because about 7-8 years ago I ingested a good quantity of numeg tea and that stuff is definatily psychoactive and I guess you can call it psychedelic..though I dont suggest anyone really try it. It was like being really stoned and zapped out at the same time and I remember the floor of this pita place I went to flowing around like water..the next day my head hurt and my eyes were still bloodshot. I have no idea how much I took but beware of these oils..alot of it is sort of new territory when it comes to using them as psychedelics or entactogens, and while some like nutmeg have a long history of magical use that does not mean they are pleasant or dont require extra caution..

I must stress here that I am not for or against the use of these oils or things like nutmeg. I am saying be careful and be aware of the risks.

I think shulgin talked about some of the compounds found in essential oils..he called them the "essential amphetamines"..referring to precursers to things like TMA etc..

This-a-page showed up in my googling, so I figured...yes, good to contribute opinion to old dead thread.

Have observed first-hand the alteration of effect between morning glory seed tea and the same with addition of peppermint oil/enough alcohol to dissolve it. The onset of morning glory is about an hour after consumption, an hour filled with pain and misery. The peak of morning glory is accompanied by sedation and constriction of all sorts and usually takes place around 4 hours post ingestion. With the peppermint the onset was 30 minutes after ingestion, following a brief period of nausea. The peak occurred about 90 minutes after ingestion and began to wear off several hours later, and was accompanied by stimulation and a most remarkable lack of the usual constriction.

This inspired me to consider alternative aldehydes, to see if there was a difference between different aldehyde additives. Sassafras tincture was available, but it contains a variety of nifty molecules so the results from that (8h pretty heavy trip followed by 7h clear and obvious stimulant effect) are pretty much bunk regarding its contribution to theory. I theorized that cinnamaldehyde would be an excellent thing to try, and bada-boom, there's 69ron testing it out. Later on I received e-mail from a friend who tried it and complimented me on the idea. So I decided to try it, and was impressed. The effects are distinctly different from the familiar woodrose - similar to morning glory only with usually much gnarlier physical side effects - with just the tea there is the hour of misery followed by initial effect at 1h, rising to peak at 5h which suddenly drops off at 8h, followed by decent afterglow next day. With cinnamon oil it took about 30 minutes to first effect, rising to peak at around 3h which slowly subsides from 8-10h leaving only a mild afterglow. And no physical effects, save for a small amount of occasional nausea, which usually dissipates quickly. No constriction. More introspective trip than with peppermint. Also less physical side effects than peppermint, which has less physical side effects than unaltered lsa-containing seed tea.

Another experiment was tried just mixing the oil/alcohol with the seeds and consuming all of it after allowing to soak for around 6h. There were definitely more lsa-like physical effects present with this - I assume due to the cinnamon oil not reaching the alks that are buried deep within the powdered particles. or other component of illness-induction present in seeds is less water soluble than psychoactives. either way, the making tea part is not the thing that changes the pharmacology of it, and neither be the adding a small amount of alcohol to it. its definitely the aldehydes, though whether it's enzyme inhibition or chemical interaction is still up in the air, but what I say is skeptics should consider trying for themselves, rather than posting presumptively in the name of...cultural-information-bias which informs decisions such as being skeptical of new ideas, despite how there's someone who doesn't sound too terribly off his rocker saying, "hey this works". also I am not a vendor of ethnobotanicals or anything, just an interested experimenter.

experiments with german chamomile oil were also awesome, albeit having a definite (chamomile-like) sedative component. Similar feel overall to cinnamon adduct. Also similar to one another in many ways regarding physical effect and psychological effect were the chemically related benzaldehydes. Benzaldehyde produced more nausea and strange digestive effects (pooping funny textures way too frequently throughout trip) and somewhat very mild visual effects, mostly subjective feelings like increased appreciation of art. Vanillin (3-meo-4-oh-benzaldehyde) substantially weakened the effect of the seed tea, with 5 seeds' worth being ineffective, 10 being very very subtle, and 15 seeds worth being still mild, with the only noticeable effects being a sour mood and much more vivid colors than usual, but not in an impressive or necessarily positive way. Cumin tincture containing cuminaldehyde (4-isopropyl-benzaldehyde) was substantially more effective, with small amounts leading to a profound loosening of the atoms. 5 seeds had things definitely rubbery. I was curious to pursue that one further, and there has been a vast multitude of different ideas going on lately which have kept me distracted so far.

Anyway, these mixtures of lysergic acid amides-containing-seeds with aldehyde-containing-plant-extracts each have a different set of pharmacological effects from one another, and this is according to a group consisting of 3-5 friends, so it's looking good for this idea. If only more people would TRY it...there would be fewer skeptics. And so far the best ones are cinnamon (for fans of awesome vibes) and cumin (for fans of visual effects). Though you'll have to make your own cumin tincture.

I second this....I believe the chemist webster can't remember his last name figured out this with his syrup idea...just google.... webster, LSA, syrup