I'd really like to hear some followup on this story and what happened.

Although hiding a body of an 18 year old in the bushes is pretty odd and just plain wrong. Makes me even more skeptical of most centers/retreats in south america.

I'll just stick to aya sessions by myself. No need to spend thousands of dollars to go see a shaman...that most likely..is more of the tourist trade than anything else.

Off the wall possibility, maybe dude was tripping out hard and crawled out into the bushes and died from any whatever junkie sickness cause, and the police wanted the whole thing shut down and disbanded, so they made the shaman confess to something he didn't do, in exchange for a plea bargain of some sort.

Just saying. Possibilities.



I love you.

^ lots of possibilities, sure. although that sounds unlikely, since the guy already had a real sketchy reputation to begin with

You know here is the thing that doesn't add up to me.

This Shaman, who is from the jungle...the REMOTE jungle.

If he decides to dump a body you can bet your ass that no one will ever find that body.

I don't believe we have the real details of this story yet IMHO.

It's still tragic and I hope that people considering these aya tours will meditate on the risk they put themselves in before undertaking these journeys.

Peace

that's what i've been scratching my head about all day... i mean, i don't even live in the jungle, just a dense forest in the southern US... & if i needed something not found, you better believe yr not gonna find it... this is a strange, unfortunate situation all around...

i had been looking into journeying south for an ayahuasca week or so... now, i'm seriously considering just taking that plunge here, with a friend i KNOW i can trust to look out for my meat while i'm gone...

My advice is simple. Do it at home the first time where are you a 911 call away from an ambulance.

Peace

well just judging by things i have read here and in Lamb's "Wizard of the Upper Amazon", not from personal experience...

From what i understand a legitimate shaman and his icaros can make a huge difference in what Aya can show you and teach you. This is a plant that has always been a part of their life and culture, and I believe that if you find a good shaman he will have a better understanding of that plant than most people could ever have. That understanding of the plant and how to use it (which obviously this shaman had very little) can make the difference between a chaotic jumbled crazy experience that you gain nothing from, and a coherent, beautiful journey that can change your life.

Now im not saying that one cannot benefit from the plant without a shaman, I would just think it would be way easier and you could learn way more with guidance.

So my point is I hope this doesnt turn people off from real shamans and how much their guidance can help us.

Yeah, that would make sense..but he claims to be some 1st level chavin shaman or something..from a direct chavin lineage..and the chavin are not from the jungle..they are from the peruvian highlands. This guy could very well not be from the jungle at all..lots of people in peru that are not from the jungle work with ayahuasca..this guy also seems to favor san pedro over ayahuasca which might be due to his lineage with san pedro or w/e..he has been known to say that ayahuasca is basically useless in comparison. The Chavin were/are the real san pedro shamans of the andes so it would make sense.

Yesterday i trawled through the 13 pages of posts on Chimbre at Ayahuasca.com. On this page, 1/2 way down, Steve Beyer says some interesting things about this "shaman", after holding back for a while:

http://forums.ayahuasca....=mancoluto&start=120

I also read that Manculoto operated in a highly questionable manner, and there's an example i read where he tried to get this blokes (phats) girlfriend to take lots of really expensive treatments for nonsense reasons, 3/4 way down:

http://forums.ayahuasca....t=mancoluto&start=45

Wunderband explains his potentially dangerous experience, 3/4 way down, although this whole page makes interesting reading with comments from Alan Shoemaker, etc:

http://forums.ayahuasca....t=mancoluto&start=60

....And page 13, unlucky for some, says it all!

This really is sad news. I have been reading all these links and trying to get as much info on the place as possible, because I was considering going there The film made it look so good, but now I am questioning even going to Peru with the intention of drinking Aya...

From what I have read, this Mancoluto chap seems shady and weird, I can see how he might appeal to the new age set, what with his martian connections and all surprised he didn't drop nibiru in there for good luck...

My warm wishes are with his family and friends. Let's not forget them at this time.

I am on the exact same page as you are. I had more and more serious plans to go there next summer. This whole thing has completely shocked me, wasn't prepared for this.

A very sad story indeed.

Don't worry, there are plenty good places in Peru. Manculoto seemed to be starting up his new cult, and his ways of operating were not only highly suspect but also dangerous.

Please don't let that put you off from good centres, but DO research b4 jumping in.

So from the ayahuasca forum, wonderband describes being given a beverage and left alone for 4 hours. On a rock...



This provides us with more fodder for speculations about possible causes of death. Maybe the kid fell off a rock. And really, many people said about this Mancoluto character that he just fed you the medicine and left you alone for four hours. Perched atop a rock of course sounds like a crazy place to leave a tripper--but we can't know how precarious the rock really was, nor if leaving people up on a rock was his everyday schtick. But abandonning your clients to trip alone is the jungle, that sounds like one way to invite disaster.

Indeed Bedazzle!

I just wish that Rob would have taken the hint from clients a lot earlier about this Manculoto chap. It's a pity in many ways.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20120914/ARTICLES/120919722

Sebastopol teen died in Peru trying 'to further open his mind'

Kyle Nolan of Sebastopol, right, pictured with his triplet siblings Marion, left, and Kevin. Kyle died Aug. 22 at a jungle retreat in Peru.
Family photo
By GUY KOVNER
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
Published: Friday, September 14, 2012 at 7:16 p.m.
Last Modified: Friday, September 14, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.

Kyle Josef Nolan and his parents knew exactly why the 18-year-old Sebastopol man traveled to a retreat center in the Peruvian jungle: to participate in an “ayahuasca ritual,” ingesting a psychoactive concoction used by Amazonian people for centuries and popular with westerners, including the musician Sting.

But the 10-day program at the Shimbre Shamanic Center went tragically wrong, and the operator, a shaman named Jose Manuel Pineda Vargas, attempted to cover up Nolan's death and lied to his mother when she first arrived in Peru, according to Sean Nolan of Petaluma, Kyle's father.

Peruvian National Police said they arrested Pineda, 58, who called himself “Master Mancoluto,” and two men who allegedly helped bury Nolan's body on the shamanic center's property outside the city of Puerto Maldonado in southeastern Peru near the Bolivian border.

A YouTube video depicts Pineda leading authorities to the spot where Nolan's body was unearthed.

(Article continues... click link above)

Maldonado nose--from the Illuminatus trilogy? The thing where this guy claimed to be "one of the 5 top level shamans of the world" already sounded too much like the primi--the 5 Secret Chiefs of the Illuminati (from the same novel). Also mentioning Atlantis...

Mind you I am not talking CT here, rather I'm pointing out connections with a work of fiction....I'm seeing fnords is all.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/w...eature=player_detailpage

was mancoluto the only one involved in this whole thing or what? The chimbre site seems to have all info from the site removed and the facebook page is gone..was Rob also arrested? Was he involved or was he not aware of mancoluto finding the body and burrying it?

Mancoluto even looks creepy man..

Reports state that Mancoluto and 2 other men were arrested. I think they helped to hide the body/bury it. I dunno about Rob, but i wouldn't like to be in his shoes right now!

The two other men arrested were Mancoluto's German assistant, Florian Schmatz, and the Chimbre carpenter, Luis Enrique Mondragon.