i actually found mongo as a kitten near the pic de bugarach and it is my belief that he is a personification of one the aliens sent as guide for me, but when he attaches himself to my head with his claws while i am sleeping i suspect that his intentions are not wholly benign

Is VIII the only person LISTENING to me? Him and a few others anyway...

Yall seem to just be hearing what I say and replying to my posts by taking them at face value. The tone, the wording, the absolution.

DIG INTO WHAT I AM SAYING. MAKE YOUR OWN OPINION OF IT. How many times do I have to say it? Is what you already know as inflexible as the model I constructed here? Do you really think my belief is that inflexible? Do you not realize that is only a model? When going through my vernacular, does it REALLY look like I am pushing the philosphy on anyone?

I tell you to WAKE UP. I said it there, I say it here. That is what I push onto the reader. TO WAKE UP AND LOOK AROUND. L O O K AROUND YOU.

Is that offfensive? Are you offended that I so passionately want my brothers and sisters to WAKE UP and see what has been done to them? Have I crossed the boudary line of how much love to show to my family?

I will continue this with VIII. I will mind my wording. I will answer to the "WHY"s he/she has put forth. I will do these things because as I have already plainly stated:

Ask questions (here or on a journey)
Dont say "NO", say "WHY"

You have also given some similar queries... I will cover them there as well.

Exactly ...... for instance ,..WHY has Mongo just relieved himself in my (very expensive )headphones??????

That is all anyone has done and can do.

Nobody arrives at "NO" without going through "WHY"

VIII,

I open this by expressing my deepest gratitude for presenting your "WHY"s in the manner I was hoping for.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING ME THE PROPER VENUE TO DESCRIBE THE CONCEPTS BEHIND THE MODEL I PUT HERE.

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Exactly. Build.



Negative polarity.



1. You can find very detailed information made available by tomkenyon.com. He has channeled works from a group of beings known as The Hathors. He is not the only medium on the subject. dig.
I also use his "Sound Gifts" as a major part of my meditations. You will find the ones I speak of within the Hathor messages.

2. Technically it is 12. Positive and Negative polarities and ten central "dimensions". If you are familiar with plationic solids you can visualize this. It can be VISUALLY REPRESENTED by the icosahedron. Remember this is only a visual representation.

3. I cannot tell you what they are. I can only tell you what I see. Look around you, what 'futures' can you see?



1. Refer to question 3 above. As for the Quaran, I admit ignorance. It just comes to mind in that manner. I apologize for using it in such a manner.

2. Pain and suffering HAVE in fact been around for billions of years. The ENERGY from all of that pain and suffering is somewhat of a "power source" whatever mechanism that may or may not be behind this divergence.

There IS a tipping point. Think of a spiral that ever expands one way and ever contracts the other.
I have seen a number of discussions in the nexus involving the belief in infinity as an absolute. Is it real? yes or no. It is a concept. Do concepts exist? yes. This will be a conversation starter...
When traveling DOWN this spiral, there comes a point when "one" must turn around and move up, or compress into nothingness and disappear from existence.
THIS IS A MODEL/CONCEPT, DO NOT TAKE IT LITERALLY. DIG.

Ignore 2012 theories. Every one of us knows that time is an illusion. It only exists to keep EVERYTHING THAT EVER WAS AND EVERYTHING THAT WILL EVER BE from happening at the same time. What do you wanna experience? Time is a CONSTRUCT built for us to explore.



It is part of my concept perspective.
Yes, it is reference to CHANGING what your gland it tuned to. What area of the DIMENSIONAL SPECTRUM. Remember that three words are interchangable here: Dimension, Density, Frequency
Higher dimension=higher density=higher frequency

Explore. Dig.



You have traveled to higher dimensions than I have. I now see that when they take me they take my energy body. My energy body is the exact same size and shape of my physical body. It permeates my entire physical self. It is what "powers" my vessel. It is the "life force".
You have moved beyond that in your travels.

I am. I came here to explore. I came here to dig.



I trust them. You do not have to. Dig.



The first thread has become cumbersome and full of anger. I do not see any problem with explaining myself in this manner. I am not being offensive by starting a new one.

12. Icosahedron visual. Hathors. Explore.

I cannot offer you details of the mechanism by which this may or may not operate.

I will do just that if it is requested of me.
I came to share my story.

Fire burned pretty good, wouldnt you say?

I for one do not feel as if there is anything wrong with the existence of suffering.

I believe that sorrow and joy are linked together and are inseparable, that peace and upset can neither exist without the other.

Is there a right time to be sad, to be happy, to be angry, to love?


So if you lost a leg in an accident would it also lose the leg?

When you were an infant was it also?

As you age does it also?

When you grow sick, does it also?

When you die, does it also?

I am wary of that, which lacks balance.

Infinite love for example, is very, very dangerous in my experience.

There is nothing wrong with pain. It is part of the duality. the positive and negative.
negative energy contracts. it compounds. it is carried by the holder of that charge.
positive energy expands. it is shared with its surroundings. its is constantly radiated by the holder.
This is to say that the pain(negative) charge has been building and compounding for billions of years. The planet itself is releasing that energy. Look at the weather. Look at the wacky dealings in nature. The various ways these energies are MANIFESTING.

Have you ever heard of "phantom limb pains"?

Duality has always been.

Nothing needs to change.

The weather is normal, it will never stay the same, it is always going to fluctuate in intensity and it always has.

Sure I know about phantom limbs. It has to do with the brain.
http://www.scientificame...-limb-cure-retrain-brain

the icosahedron has 20 sides to it. the dodecahedron on the other hand has 12. so what is it now? 20 or 12?

Have you ever conidered the possibility that you are WRONG?

OR, that the people you are speaking to here perhaps are already in the process of waking up, and some are by far more awake than you?

We do not have to look into your theory or the weblinks you post because we've seen it all before. People like you have made similar posts a hundred times over. Screaming, wake up, realize yourself, open your eyes etc. Though I believe your intentions are sincere IME with this kind of thing you help no one. The world doesn't need another model of aliens, spirit entities, conspiracies, channelers or whatnot. These things only distract us, victimize us, make us point the finger to others for blame and make us wait for others or something to fix it all. Well that is the exact opposite of what "realizing your own power" and "taking responsibility" is.

How about stop patronizing everyone here by telling us what we need to dig into to understand your oh-so-brilliant model, and for a change elaborate a bit on it in a cohesive manner. And since you want US to listen, how about YOU do the research first, before firing concepts at us you obviously haven't really understood (i.e. the quran, bath salts, icosahedron...)

Also, do you know the term charlatan? while some may disagree, I believe that in alot of cases this term is fitting for those that claim to be channeling information from alien entities from outer space. Though the term delusional may also fit.
Your theory is just another escapist theory pointing to some grand change that will make everything magically better. or at least has the power to. I find this kind of thinking sad and dangerous. If we all continue to hope that something will change it never will. Consciousness is not going to shift magically. We need to choose to change.

and btw, neither the government nor the aliens nor the hyperspacial entities are mind controling you or have you in a cage. If they even exist in a way to interact with our psyche they would realize that they don't need to. We are doing it all ourselves. Our great challange is IMO to realize that we are not the victims of some cosmic and esoteric conspiracy, but that our liberty and state of mind depends solely on US, on the choices we make and the chains we tie around ourselves. but I guess it's just easier believing in extra dimensional plots than facing the fact that you are responsible for all this.

What else do you know about the icosahedron?
Please describe its 3 components to me.

I consider the possibility of being wrong every day. Do you not? Not once have I asked anyone to BELIEVE what I am saying. Go back, find where it states "What I am saying applies to all that read it." Whether ex OR implicitly. I say it applies to ME. Yes, I speak in the plural. Yes I direct reference the reader. Where do I say "This is your reality too." As somebody mentioned at some point it was admitted that my view is to be "expected" from particular individuals. Sounds pretty judgmental to me.

Enoon,
The words you put in my mouth just above this are not very tasty.

When I build an icosahedron (I made a big stuffed one once) I like to make it out of 20 triangles, but sometimes out of 4 groups of 5 or 5 groups of four structures made of triangles.

It is my favorite shape right after the tetrahedron.

How many vertices do those expressions have?

12 I'd suppose, I am not sure what you mean by "expressions" can you clarify?
Thanks

Four groups of five

Five groups of four

I am not aware if the final products of each is a different "form" of the same shape.

Im reaching again and wondering if that is true

my friend,

I did not intentionally put words in our mouth. I simply responded to your posts in the manner how I read them. This is MY way of reading your posts...

yes the icosahedron has 12 vertices, 30 sides and 20 faces. I still don't see how it is a visual representation of 12 dimensional space. But I'm sure one of your weblinks of channelers so-and-so could clarify it with lots of new-agey pseudo-science and "sacred geometry" blabla.

stop wasting your time with this stuff. The real world is out there, why are you just looking at the shadows and drawing wild conclusions from them? Give it a rest, please. Do something good, save a life, help someone, help yourself, protect nature, and maintain yourself free from negative emotions. Listen to Tool's "Rosetta Stoned".

You are blinding yourself with your models.

You are distracting yourself and hiding from what really matters.

I wish you only the best URBY. Good luck and godspeed.
Over and Out.

Thats because you are literally thinking of DIMENSIONAL SPACE.

Go back and read my original post.



YOU stop wasting my time. And the time of people trying to follow this conversation.
You obviously dont like what I have to say so STOP LISTENING.

What other people do does NOT affect you. What YOU THINK about what other people do, DOES affect you.

You should probably re-evaluate your attitude here before posting further. Especially if you have any intention of being promoted to full member. Enoon's critique of your theory here is spot on -- I think you are the one that needs to open your ears and wake up before posting on ideas and concepts which you do not understand.

-a1pha

NOW THAT,,,,, is epic advice,

no seriously, it is good advice. Definitely look up the lyrics to the song if you don't already know themmmmmmm....


LOVE THAT F*CK*NG SONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I LOVE IT!!!



I also like synchronicity as I added a line from that song to my signature just one hour before reading this post.....