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polytrip
#41 Posted : 9/6/2012 2:30:38 PM
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Many branches of science are based on mathematics which is incorporeal and immaterial in nature.

I think that mathematic´s is not completely immaterial. I think that the most basic laws of nature (like the possibilty´s of space and time) dictate what kind of mathematic´s is possible. In another universe, they may have entirely different mathematics.
Physical laws dictate what kind of information processing is possible and what not.

 

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#42 Posted : 9/6/2012 7:08:57 PM

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polytrip wrote:
cellux wrote:
Many branches of science are based on mathematics which is incorporeal and immaterial in nature.

I think that mathematic´s is not completely immaterial. I think that the most basic laws of nature (like the possibilty´s of space and time) dictate what kind of mathematic´s is possible. In another universe, they may have entirely different mathematics.
Physical laws dictate what kind of information processing is possible and what not.


Or maybe physical reality is mathematics. I once saw a documentary where a physicist pondered the possibility that physical reality IS a mathematical object. Sounds good to me.
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#43 Posted : 9/6/2012 7:59:13 PM

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gibran2 wrote:
polytrip wrote:
cellux wrote:
Many branches of science are based on mathematics which is incorporeal and immaterial in nature.

I think that mathematic´s is not completely immaterial. I think that the most basic laws of nature (like the possibilty´s of space and time) dictate what kind of mathematic´s is possible. In another universe, they may have entirely different mathematics.
Physical laws dictate what kind of information processing is possible and what not.


Or maybe physical reality is mathematics. I once saw a documentary where a physicist pondered the possibility that physical reality IS a mathematical object. Sounds good to me.



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#44 Posted : 9/6/2012 9:16:10 PM
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Citta wrote:
gibran2 wrote:
polytrip wrote:
cellux wrote:
Many branches of science are based on mathematics which is incorporeal and immaterial in nature.

I think that mathematic´s is not completely immaterial. I think that the most basic laws of nature (like the possibilty´s of space and time) dictate what kind of mathematic´s is possible. In another universe, they may have entirely different mathematics.
Physical laws dictate what kind of information processing is possible and what not.


Or maybe physical reality is mathematics. I once saw a documentary where a physicist pondered the possibility that physical reality IS a mathematical object. Sounds good to me.


I like that.


I believe this is very true, and what I have observed on psychedelics only re-enforces this idea that Math is everything in a quite literal sense...HOWEVER....for those of us such as myself who are naturally bad at conceptualizing mathmatics we have to depend on other more ethereal models besides straight mathamatics to convery the underlying nature of reality.

For me personally I find the occult science of kabbalah to be a reliable methodology for concretely labeling the many different nuances and regulatory functions of not only reality but also perceptual experience, plus it is less boring than math IMO. Mathamatics also works with Kabbalah but i'm afraid I am not able to comprehend that aspect of it...







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#45 Posted : 9/7/2012 7:38:57 AM

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It would be most astounding if things like love or compassion could be understood as mathematics. I mean completely, without belittling it in any way. If it could be proven that love and compassion will always conquer fear, hatred and separation - because of a mathematical necessity. That the model (the world) holds its own resolution encoded in itself.
 
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#46 Posted : 9/7/2012 1:16:07 PM

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cellux wrote:
It would be most astounding if things like love or compassion could be understood as mathematics. I mean completely, without belittling it in any way. If it could be proven that love and compassion will always conquer fear, hatred and separation - because of a mathematical necessity. That the model (the world) holds its own resolution encoded in itself.

But it wouldn't necessarily be the case that love or compassion > fear or hatred or separation. These things could be represented through much more complex relationships that wouldn't necessarily need to be resolved in any final manner, but could still have values for any given situation (i.e. a function that includes all values on the extended number line of "life values" ). Obviously that's oversimplified, but I think it highlights what I'm driving at.
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#47 Posted : 9/8/2012 4:04:32 PM
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cellux wrote:
It would be most astounding if things like love or compassion could be understood as mathematics. I mean completely, without belittling it in any way. If it could be proven that love and compassion will always conquer fear, hatred and separation - because of a mathematical necessity. That the model (the world) holds its own resolution encoded in itself.

Game theory to some extent shows that egoism, selfishness and agression are inferior survival strategies. It doesn´t show that things like selfishness will always have an inferior outcome in each individual case, but that for a group of social animals as a whole, cooperative (social) behaviour is far more productive than defective (selfish) behaviour: egoism is essentially a strategy of parasitism within a species itself. Parasitism within a species is a weak strategy: Not only is the parasite in constant need of a healthy non-parasitic individual while the healthy non-parasitic individual doesn´t need any parasite at all. The parasitical strategy would inevitably, IF it would be succesfull (wich is very unlikely), automatically create it´s own destruction.
 
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