I have been traveling with DMT about once or twice a week for 2 years now. For some reason I didn't get around to doing it for about 3 weeks...then something happened that I didn't expect. I felt 'normal' again, I felt like I was a human in a body, I could relate to and talk to other humans as they are in their 'meat bodies.' In other words, I felt like my feet were on the ground, and that I was once again connected to this 3-Dimensional realm with real people and place and causal relations. I forgot about feeling that way, I just assumed that I had been changed and altered into a weirdo-creep-shaman-type forever, who couldn't figure out what hard material objects or people were. I had been thinking all this time that the DMT realms really belittle how society and people interactions operate for now, and that the way people act in this world is all wrong and not good enough (which is true regardless That the real purpose or operation of the universe is “ecstatic play,” as Alan Watts suggests. I realized that we are a mulitplicity of selves, not just a single self, so in that sense our masks are necessary and OK. And even though we would be better off without the masks, it is just how society and people operate, and so must have at least a little validity to it.

I just didn't realize that it takes at least 3 weeks for your brain to fix itself, maybe even longer, I suppose in a sense like X. It does rush your brain with serotonin and dopamine.

I smoked again after this 3 week period yesterday just to see, and am back to feeling like the weirdo in Wal-Mart

I know part of the reason is that I seem to feel like I have or possess knowledge or power that is literally dimensions above most other people after smoking, and apparently pretty long afterwards, and so the weirdness, bad social skills/unable to relate-ness sets in to a point of becoming self-conscious.

Preoccupation with the experience is also a danger, and I guess I have been spending all of my spare time (or too much of it) doing, researching, or reflecting on it.
I suppose long breaks can really be good. Integration really becomes easier and easier over time exponentially, so that has not been the main issue, at least I don’t believe.
After all this time I am also more and more convinced that these realms are probably just a hardcore hallucination, and that the experiences are just amplifications of one's sub and unconscious, like a Hubble telescope being placed on brain or mind The experiences could also be revelations from one’s DNA. Once I convinced myself of this, the luster became much more minimal, though I will always believe that regardless of whether or not it is just a hallucination, it is a very beneficial one that can help and heal. Love and Light.

Peace.

I almost feel like it should be a requirement for people entering the medical profession, or at least a strong option.

I think that it is important to take some time between trips. Taking a complete break is even better.

Sometimes it is better to be more grounded so you can have a comparison point to learn from your experiences. If you spend too much time on one side you lose the part that you relate to learn from the trip.

In other words, you can't discover your own humanity if you spend too much time away from being human.

Also, in my opinion it is important to put intent into making/consuming it. This may bring more light on what you want to learn. This is me, I'm more on the spiritual side of tripping.

Hope it helped in any way. Peace.

At least I can say that if I did stop now completely, I have done my time. And it will always be an option.

If you are like me, you use psychedelics for learning and exploring yourself and the universe. Sometimes it is good to take a break and bring what you have learned into practice in the real world. After all we were given a life on this plane of existence, we should probably focus on it for the time being. DMT is just the lesson you can only bring the teachings to life by practicing them in the real world.

I wanted to thank you for this thread. There's alot of things that relate to what I've been going through lately.

DMT shows you some pretty crazy things, but what you take from them is completely up to you. If you want to get holed up in your cave and succumb into your insanity and weirdness while trying to come up with theories and inventions for some crazy shit, you can perfectly do that and spend all you time being immersed in that. Or you can just live a normal happy life and travel the world and interact with all those "dumb people". You can literally do anything you want with your life. Which is one of the things that DMT shows you. What DMT forgets to show you is the definition for "happy life", because that's what you have to conclude yourself.

It's really easy to raise DMT into a pedestal and give it some "the key to the meaning of life" -status, while you start to ignore everything else around you. Yeah, it might be some incomprehensibly mysterious stuff, or it might be just extreme hallucinations. But does it matter? I don't think so. What matters is that it's just one of the many life experiences that you have, and you add it to the pool of life experiences where you draw your actions from.

It's funny how the human experience evolves, whenever you're in a new moment of now, you realize how naive and silly you've been all the moments before that one. Life experiences are constantly accumulating for you to make new connections. Reading this again in a few years will probably also seem very foolish (hello future me!). And speaking of Alan Watts, I've always wondered what it must feel like to reach that kind of "wise old man" now-moment. You've been through so many experiences and thoughts and beliefs that all you have left is a sort of calm wisdom, whatever that means.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, DMT isn't important by itself, it's just one of the many tools that you can use to shape your life into something where you're happy and comfortable. Cos that's what being an organism on a planet is all about, right? I'd like to think so.

Very well said, daedaloops. It is up to each of us to apply what we learn in the real world.

It's certainly a must at some point down the line.

I had a VERY strong smoked experience several months back. And honestly, it's set me straight since then. I really have no more wonders or questions regarding the nature of this experience. I experienced some things that directly shown me how incredibly special we and all this is. Incredibly sacred, incredibly loving and horrendously beautiful. Unfathomably infinite and intensely novel.

That one experience for me (out of the hundreds of smoked experiences) put the nail in the board and I feel that I got the message. Although I'm still working on extracting so this experience can be available for people that were/are headed down a path in resemblance to mine, and that I feel would be a good fit. But as far as me having this experience as frequently as I was having it in the past....those days are done.

Of course I'll still venture from time to time, just to keep re-aligned with my Self. Probably start working with aya more frequently too.

I have definitely had experiences where I said to myself, "If this was my very last experience, then I would be OK with that." Those experience that are 'to die for'.

Awesome. I can see my own thoughts reflected in the words of others. I do my best to live in the "real world", while using these experiences in the most beneficial way I can.

To be a shaman requires ALL that you are in totality. This is a supreme commitment and one everyone delving into these infinite mysteries should think about seriously.

I have said in many threads that psychedelic experiences are much like dreaming experiences in that if you treat the experience as real it then slowly becomes real....

There are many things that can result from the action of treating your trips as real...

First of all like I said they do in effect become real.. once they become real you are truly interacting with the spiritual realm. Interacting with the spirit realm can have undesired effects..I have seen these effect first hand...

The trouble relating to other humans is just the begining, I personally have had to mentally drop out of the human race in order to even inter act with it. By considering myself not a part of society it has been easy for me to pretend to be a part like and actor.. so I can get along in everyday life.

The rabbit hole gets deeper, continued interaction with the spirit world eventualy forces you to choose sides...evil or good, dark or light etc....

Obviously most people will choose the light over the darkness....well then this action creates further complications in the life of a spiritual explorer...This is because "satan" runs this world lock stock and barrel and has the power to TRY and make your life miserable for standing against him.......

let me say, you know you are living the life of a shaman when you have seen a loved one become possesed horror movie style... and when it gets that deep there is NO turning back to "three dimensional reality" ever.

-But personally it's worth it...at least I think it is, of course I commited myself long ago to this path for me there is no returning to "normal". I am grateful for this for I would rather be not comfortable, wide awake and crazy as a loon then comfortable, asleep, unaware and sane.

-E

Seems to be pretty common to have those lingering effects of getting lost in the Nth dimension.

I've had it to varying degrees, the worst of which caused me to fear HPPD for a couple of months. Generally 2-4 weeks and the effects subside, worse effects took me ~4-8 weeks.

Given a 3-6 month break I find myself feeling what I would describe as fully grounded, personally to an uncomfortable extent. I will begin to get lost in my routines and forget many of my teachings.


Indeed many of my experiences have pointed in this direction as well, and with so much I still can't explain I am left in awe at the intricacy and power we hold in our fragile heads.


I found the opposite of this true for my self. If this is truly a process lying fully within the brain, then the power that each of us holds within is unimaginable and, to me, just as 'alien' as any E.T. would be.

DMT hyperspace allows me a place for complex expression that I could not achieve with current 'traditional' technology.


As mentioned by others, it helps taking time to gather your thoughts, reflect, and build intentions. Certainly subjective, but for me DMT has focused in on a variety of topics and I've learned that even with the slightest idea lies the seed for great change.


I will try to journal any future lingering effects to contribute information to dosages, frequency, and duration of after-effects. However, I would have to say that for me 1-2 times a week is far too much. 1-2 times every 1-3 months is closer to my current regiment. Sometimes I find other psychs while on a long break and didn't notice any amplification of the effects at those times.

great thread, should be sticker on top so it will be seen by more people.

I agree that hallucinations, just the same as dreams, are still real experiences regardless of whether or not they reflect actuality. If I knew for sure that the DMT dimensions were pure hallucinations, I could sleep better at night. It is hard to have the knowledge that you may have communicated with aliens, higher-dimensional beings, or especially the dead. And if those experiences are simply your brain maximized, then -wow- we have a lot of evolving to do, and it is exciting for us to be able to peer into that ahead of time.

Sometimes I don't even know how I'm supposed to move my body in public, because I keep forgetting that I have one, and am not just a mind floating around...it gets that bad...which contributes to me feeling like a weirdo.

I can relate.... sort of. I've smoked pot pretty much every day for the past two or so years, minus maybe a week long vacation with family or a day or two without it here and there. Anyway, my habitual marijuana use and my psychedelic trips seemed to have made me more introverted. Not that that's a problem, but I feel like I can't really relate to many people around me most of the time. I feel so much different than most people in society. Idk to blame the heavy pot use or tripping. (which I don't do nearly as much, just occasionally)

I honestly think it's just the pot. Reason I think so is because I am a pretty loner kinda person I guess, considering I can't relate to many people. I have friends and talk to people, I'm not a hermit or anything. However, up until recently I figured that I don't talk to many people because I am just so different and have seen/experienced things way beyond this normal state of mind...

but I went to a music festival this weekend, with like-minded hippies and psychedlic users all over the place, but I still felt the weird feeling in me that doesn't know what to say to someone to start a conversation. I takled to some people, but I found that when I seen a good looking hippie girl I just don't know what to say to start up a conversation. I realized that it's more than just not being able to relate to people that holds me back from lots of communication - I think I have develped a sort of social anxiety from my pot use, and I don't like that.

Being socially anxious goes against my view on life. I'm a free-spirited person, why am I socially anxious? Maybe it's because ever since I've started tripping I've felt different than most people and just kind of only talked to friends and couldn't give two shits about what most people talk about, because to be real, most people talk about stupid shit. But I know that I could relate to the pretty hippie chicks I seen at the festival, it's just that I think I've conditioned myself to be passive with communication, which has resulted in a sort of social anxiety.

I've been thinking about ths a lot lately. I'm gonna stop smoking pot and see how my mind changes over time. I might smoke every now and then depending on how everything is going. I'm going to start just talking to people, about what idk, but I feel like I must get over this stupid shit in my mind that goes against my own life views. Idk if it's actually social anxiety, as I really don't give a flying fuck what someone thinks about me, or if it's just that I have conditioned myself from not talking to many people so now I just don't know how to communicate good, like what to say and stuff.

Hopefully this isn't a big off-topic post. I at least started off sort of on topic.

Alan Watts has a good way of grounding us as human beings connected to the earth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hVc2hWYxg

"We do not come into the world, we come out of it, the same as an apple tree apples, the planet Earth peoples..." -Alan Watts

Pot for me definitely makes un-high people scary! I am too scared to go into stores and stuff, sometimes even answer the phone. But I only smoke pot once or twice a week, so it hits me hard.

BAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Yeah i don't experience the spirit' that often yet bro haha -



-i was born disconnected though! I have always felt the weirdness its how i perceive reality i think our brains have a sort of calibration setting or some sort of mapping that changes through life but is not all ways synchronised, which can suck ass. Pardon my French


**With laboratory equipment they can detect which is the hearts Magnetic field which can be detected 7 feet from the heart.

Wasn't the everyday smoking a result of already existing anxieties to begin with? Also, I've heard many people say how they couldn't care less about what others think of them and they may genuinely believe that.

However, if such beliefs were really put to the test, I think they would be proved wrong. When we construct our sense of identity, the feedback we get from those we interact with plays an important role.