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Hi everyone
just wanted to ask what traditions exist in the middle east around rue incense/smoking rue - i have heard that it was part of the zoroastrian tradition but that it has been kept pretty quiet and just wanted to know if any members have heard of this tradition? How would you go about doing it? - do people just smoke the seeds or do they make some kind of mixture?
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esfand, the seeds are used as an incense here is a page about that: http://mypersiankitchen.com/esfand-the-evil-eye/and interesting perhaps, NagChampa the notorious incense, is a psychoactive that also contains betacarboline alkaloids...
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cheers that was really helpful
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AlbertKLoyd, is it known what the beta-carboline is in Plumeria? I have been researching, and found just that it is Plumeria in Nag Champa that has a beta-carboline, but I'm curious what activity it has. It is said to be psychoactive.
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Here's one paper.Plumeria is a genus, in order to narrow down what alkaloids are in any given plant, you will need to examine species within that genus. Further Googling will no doubt yield even more results. Wiki โข Attitude โข FAQThe Nexian โข Nexus Research โข The OHTIn New York, we wrote the legal number on our arms in marker...To call a lawyer if we were arrested. In Istanbul, People wrote their blood types on their arms. I hear in Egypt, They just write Their names. ืื ืื ืืขืืืจ
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If I am not mistaken the Plumeria ingredient in nag Champa is not the one that contains the betacarbolines. The Plumeria part used is the pollen.
The way it is made is that an aromatic resin from a tree is put onto bamboo slivers and then sandalwood and Plumeria pollen are used to coat the resin.
The resin however comes from Ailanthus malabarica the genus Ailanthus is often alkaloid rich. Ailanthus malabarica has been found to contain alkaloids including, canthin-6-one, canthin-6-one-3-N-oxide, 1-hydroxycanthin-6-one, 1-ethyl-ฮฒ-carboline, 1-ethyl-4-methoxy-ฮฒ-carboline and ฮฒ-carboline-1-propionic acid.
I am currently working with a related plant Ailanthus altissima but it has an offensive odor and I have nothing to report yet, but I do have some dry bark I procured that I plan to work with. I suspect it can be used in place of caapi, but that remains to be seen.
It would be funny if you could make Changa by adding some NN-DMT to some Nag Champa, but I would likely use an alcohol extraction of some Nag Champa to test this, instead of using the incense itself.
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